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Correct. To clarify, I'm not placing the office of pastor as the same as priesthood of all believers. :-) Seemed maybe you thought I had.
MrHugo1217 2 years ago
Article 13 of the Defence of Confession Augustana says that the Holy Orders can be regarded as a sacrament if you have another view of it than the roman catholic. In any case, the lutheran churches with bishops, priests and deacons do regard the priestly office as a certain office, not only the priesthood of all believers. The priest is in the holy communion acting In Persona Christi. He has a special assignment from our Lord to celebrate the holy communion, which lay people do not have.
karpov89 2 years ago
You're right, I forgot. Lutheranism doesn't prescribe a particular church governance, and the Australian Lutheran church doesn't use the episcopal (bishops) model. I don't know about the ordination etc of bishops in the Lutheran Church but I know [through discussion at my seminary] that to pretty much all intents and purposes our Presidents are bishops, in that they have a ministry of oversight and leadership in the synod. Lutheran presidents and bishops "rank the same as pastors as far as i no.
MrHugo1217 2 years ago
Ok, well in the national Lutheran bodies of the world it is different. In the Church of Sweden (as others too) we have bishops, priests and deacons with the same function, holding certain offices and ordanied in the same way as in the Anglican Communion.
karpov89 2 years ago
The ordination of a Pastor in the Lutheran Church can technically be done by any other pastor. The District President is a pastor who has been called to a role of oversight in the church, similar to a bishop; however he is of the same rank as any other pastor in the church. So, yes, he doesn't look like a bishop in the Roman Catholic/Anglican sense of the word. But he has the same authority through Christ as any other person ordained into the ministry.
MrHugo1217 2 years ago
Is the district President Gerhard Michael really a bishop? It does not look like that.
karpov89 2 years ago