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@tem1013 ... and "my religion provides a good moral framework" even though atheists could point out these fallacies and tell the arguer to first prove god... it merely skews the argument towards the theists by giving them the weapon to make more personal attacks against atheists like saying "religion is the only alternative and without it man will descend into despair and barbarism". therefore certain measures have to be taken to point out this emotional bias to the first time listners
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@tem1013 if one were to live in a 100 % logical world then that's how atheists should have proceeded.. you present me you argument and i test it against the standards of scince and logic.. unfortunatwly th world isn't that black and white and th reason that most people follow religion isn't related to logic. som of th most common diversion tactics are "you cant prove me wrong until you've studied my religion"... cont
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@priyochatterjee1 If that's the case then why are most atheist arguments based on religion? Why can't you defend atheism without using religion? I'm not trying to insult atheism but how can you prove it by using religion in your argument? Almost every argument I hear against religion uses scriptures from the bible as an example.
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@tem1013 atheism isn't based on any belief . its a logical stand that any RELIGION should prove its claims about god before saying it is true. obviously it isn't a preference like saying "i like the color yellow" .it is a logical stand and since logic is not subjective to the individual therefore the stand of atheists is either universally true or false. since we think it is universally true therefor our logic applies to everyone until disproven by the demonstration of god's existence.
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@priyochatterjee1 But isn't atheism based on the belief that Christians shouldn't force their beliefs on people? I don't get upset about people sharing their opinions, but there is a fine line between sharing your beliefs and shoving it down someones throat. Sharing your beliefs would be saying "I don't believe in God" or "I do believe in God". But it becomes shoving it down someones throat when you say "God is not real, plain and simple".
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@tem1013 why shouldn't opinions be shard? debate doesn't cause opinions to b shoved down peoples throats , if you dont like to discuss then please ignore. no one is gonna kill you if you do. if you think its not stupid to believe in Christ then there isn't really anything anyone can do about it.
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@priyochatterjee1 Thats what I mean about crushing peoples beliefs. I wouldn't tell an atheist they would go to hell for not believing in God, so I would hope that an atheiest wouldn't call me stupid for believing.
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@priyochatterjee1 This late but I probably should have clarified. I'm not talking about the song, I kind of like the song. I'm talking about the people commenting on it. I'm not one of those people who search up videos just to complain about it. I meant how could people talk about how Christians shove their beliefs down everyone's' throats but then say God is ABSOLUTELY not real, end of argument.
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@schaelakhan What is?
@schaelakhan I think you'll find it's the religious who burn books, Darwin was burned and banned by Catholics and Protestants, Spinoza's writings were destroyed by the synagogues in Amsterdam, Hitler burned Holy Books (except the bible), and the most recent example was that idiot Pastor who burned the Qu'ran after giving it a mock trial. Atheists don't burn books, we read them. Hitler was a Catholic, Stalin studied to become a priest, Kim Il Sung and Ho Chi Min were the Jesus for their people.
rationalsalvation 3 months ago 16
Wiccan here. This is why I'm against organized religion--it's all too easy for someone in a position of power to claim to speak for the gods, and to claim that the gods want the people to harm others.
Ongarukat 4 months ago 6