John Piper - Jesus Christ is Boring Only To The Blind

"The Reason the Son of God Appeared Was to Destroy the Works of the Devil"
December 23, 2007

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[letjim]

People always ask for proof of our faith, just like the pharisees always asked Jesus for signs that He is the Messiah. If you see a proof, where is faith in that? It's hard to make unbelievers understand how the Holy Spirit quickened your heart and changed your life, they just think you've gone crazy. But you know it within you that God worked in your life for so long and finally opened your eyes to the Truth at the perfect time. When that happened to me, it was the happiest time of my life.

[Angrysean8]

apology accepted. Please forgive me for the jumping in front of Jesus like I can defend Him responses. Pretty arrogant of me. I thank God for sending you to correct me. The truth is if I'm made to look like a fool then I should celebrate that He has shown me my flaw and humbled me

[BrentonSteinhilber]

Thank you for understanding that. For many, many people, faith is enough evidence. For those of us who do not have faith, we do not view it as evidence. But if you have faith (which clearly you do) then that's all the evidence that you need and that should satisfy you.

I apologize for being so rude in tone in my posts. You seem like a reasonable person.

[Angrysean8]

In this comment to me, you are so very right. The proof of Jesus is the faith and the change inside of one when He reveals himself to you. Thank you for pointing that out

[BrentonSteinhilber]

You make this same comment above to me. DO SOME RESEARCH AND STOP WASTING OUR TIME. Simply citing the Historian Josephus shows your lack of understanding of the "evidence" you have. Why can't you just be content with your faith? Why must you people attempt to prove us wrong with altered texts and ancient scripture that isn't even consistent? Again, if you had any actual evidence, what would be the need for faith? I respect your faith, I don't respect your "evidence".

[BrentonSteinhilber]

All based on the same scripture and ancient texts, which were written by fallible humans. Now ask yourself, how consistent are the accounts of Jesus between these ancient texts?

The historian Josephus had TWO accounts of Jesus in his writings, both questionable and altered by Christian scribes. Now why would they do go and do a thing like that?...

There may very well have been a person named Jesus, but a virgin birth? The son of god? Highly improbable. Why is there faith if evidence exists?

[BrentonSteinhilber]

"for you to believe the historical Jesus there is MUCH evidence"

where? I do agree with you on one point, that arguing this gets us nowhere, but that's not the fault of the non-religious. Statements we make can be backed up by physical evidence, statements like the one you've made cannot. That's fine. I can live with that, just stop saying that there is evidence when there is NOT. Why else would faith exist if not for lack of evidence? If you had this evidence, what would be the need for faith?

[Angrysean8]

the bible, the koran, how about the torah, the historian Josephus? all mention Jesus as a real person,

[stoneez67]

Childish....ok friend, like you would believe it even if it hit you square between the eyes. That was my point, arguing over beliefs goes nowhere. And as for "ever going to show you.." It is not about "showing".