Response to Scott (TBS) on Time and Consciousness II

Part II:
Can there be consciousness not dependent upon time?

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[Di66en6ion]

Debate of whether consciousness exists outside of our known existence is pretty moot since you nor I could prove it either way. All we understand and will ever be able to understand is our consciousness in this reality.

You're still making a claim that is utterly unknowable and incredibly more unlikely (occam's razor).

You're making claims through the assumption that your faith is true therefore god exists and then finding anything you can to prove the point that god exists.

[valyok]

Di66en6ion, you've said a lot and for me to reply to, it'll take a lot of time which I now don't have.

But, yes, it is true that I think that my faith is true...just like you think yours is.(be it atheistic or whatever).

All I wanted is to show that sequence is not necessary condition for consciousness.

Cheers

[Di66en6ion]

By sequence do you mean a causal relationship? ie neuron A fires signals to neurons B and E and so on?

Causality and time itself seems to be a by-product of entropy, matter moving from point A to point B. If you could explain how consciousness and/or life could arise in some other form in detail you'd probably be a rich man.

[valyok]

I don't think I know what you are talking about here. But don't worry, it's OK if I don't.

But as to 'sequence' - watch TBS's video.

[greggkm]

Respond to this video...The guy says god is outside of time is wrong. His time is not the same as ours. For in the bible, its gives time references. One day to us, is a year to god.

[patienceking]

The notion of god you're speaking of would still need to be tied to time, or sequence, if he created a time-tied, sequential universe. It seems to me that even if God's experience is one of "ever presence", as I've heard it described, the sequential differentiation of all his intended states of existence, i.e. moments in time, for the universe as we know it, would be necessary, else all moments in this universe would be created simultaneously. I'm sure you can see how that wouldn't work.

[wj73]

Thank you for posting this video, this is a problem I have been pondering very much! As you put forward, it seems entirely reasonable for the capacity for knowledge to exist extraneously to time, especially when one envisages a creator with whom resides all mathematical possibilities for a universe. However, the question still remains is it possible to have thought outside of time, as thought surely takes the form of steps through time?

[Di66en6ion]

Why are you giving attributes to god that you could not possibly know? Because a holy text says so?

Why must god be the original creator/cause of existence and events on higher dimensions can't be?

There is also a problem with causation. It can be proven that causation does not exist. Look up quantum physics.