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There are two streams both flowing the same way. There are two boys, one on each stream, each with a toy boat. One boy (boy A) grabs his boat and forces it upstream keeping his hand on it the entire way while the other (boy B) simply releases his boat and allows for the stream to take it to its final destination. Did both boys predetermine what they wanted the boat to do and where they wanted it to end up? Yes. Did the boy who let the boat go need to add anything of his effort to the boat to ensure that it went where it was already heading? No. He simply took his hand off and allowed for nature to take its course. This latter boy is an example of what is known as reprobation in double predestination. Both boats are going to a destination, but the boy who kept his hand on the boat and pushed it up the river was actively involved in the task against the natural course of things while the boy who simply let it go was passively allowing for what he predestined to come to pass (the natural course of things). Many people argue against double predestination while using boy A as the metaphor for what God does. (Boy A [God] pushing the boat [man] up river [toward sin] while the river in Boy A's situation [man's inclination to being born good and doing good, wanting to be saved] is trying to get the boy to do what's right while the boy A [God] is not letting that happen.) This, in logic, is called a straw man fallacy. That means that they're arguing a position that isn't advocated by the person they're arguing against, destroying that argument, then going off to claim victory for themselves. The correct position is that boy B [God] is restraining the boat [man] from going downstream to its fatal end off a cliff [reprobation]. Boy B then lets his hand off the boat and allows it to go get what will naturally happen. Note that in the first example man's condition is seen as pretty much good while in the latter, man's condition is seen as sinful and "condemned already for not believing on the only begotten son of God." (John 3:18).
This is one of the most complete answers to what exactly the doctrine of double predestination is. Mark Kielar was gracious enough to allow me to post the entire clip from this Word Picture series because, as his email said, "Dear Lane; You are welcome to use the clips in any way that can advance the Kingdom. May our Lord richly bless your efforts." Kielar is a man who's priority is to get the message of the Gospel out to as many people as possible. I can honestly say that of all the preachers I know of, he is one of the most biblically sound pastors that is alive today. The wisdom that I've learned from this man cannot be measured in my opinion. If you enjoyed this clip, you can buy the next 16-16 1/2 hours of this dvd series by going to their website http://www.crosstv.com or call 1-877-CROSSTV and purchase it there. It's 16 DVDs long and is called "The Sovereignty of God". In it, he tackles many of the hard questions like this that Calvinists receive from those who are curious about the faith. I highly recommend the series. A huge thanks goes to Pastor Mark for allowing me to post this.
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