German Army Luna UAV vs Ariana Afghan Airlines Airbus A300B4

The evidance shows it is real.
It was a German army EMT Luna tactical UAV and Ariana Afghan Airlines Airbus A300B4 @ Kabul.

I labeled a few reference points for comparison.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5757/kabulbtu8.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6747/kabulgoogleaxd8.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9639/uava300kabulhj3.gif

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8422/arianaa300ty1.jpg


Near misses between UAVs and airliners prompt NATO low-level rules review


Incidents between UAVs and helicopters in Afghanistan and Iraq prompt action

NATO is studying options for improving low-level airspace co-ordination in operational areas in response to an increasing number of proximity incidents involving manned aircraft and unmanned air vehicles.

The study, being run by NATO's Joint Air Power Competence Centre (JAPCC) as part of research into improved UAV integration into NATO force structures, follows at least three incidents involving UAVs and helicopters in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001.
© Bundeswehr

This close call between an airliner and a Luna UAV over Kabul highlighted a growing risk




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Study co-ordinator Brig Gen Elia Baldazzi, JAPCC assistant director capabilities, says incidents giving rise to NATO concerns also include a near miss between an Ariana Afghan Airlines Airbus A300B4 with over 100 passengers and a German army EMT Luna tactical UAV. Flight International has obtained an animation sequence of images taken from the Luna's daylight camera (pictured above). The incident occurred over Kabul on 30 August 2004.

"Due to the failure of the air traffic control tower to follow standard procedures, the two aircraft nearly occupied the same airspace at the same time. With a bit of luck the pilot avoided the crash," says Baldazzi, who reveals that the aircraft missed each other by less than 50m (164ft). The airliner's wake turbulence caused the UAV to crash.

"Airspace in combat areas is becoming increasingly crowded," Baldazzi says. "The block of airspace from the surface up to 3,000ft is particularly crowded with small UAVs and helicopters. In south-west Asia there have been three collisions between UAVs and helicopters." The need for improved arrangements is also being driven by restrictions being placed on military UAV usage in emergency relief and humanitarian operations by civil regulators.

The problem is expected to become more pressing as NATO member nations increase their UAV fleets, says Baldazzi, who adds: "Currently 15 of NATO's 26 nations have unmanned systems in their inventories and the number is expected to grow." There are around 775 UAVs operating in Afghanistan and Iraq and this number is expected to climb as the conflicts continue.

Traditional approaches to airspace deconfliction in battlefield areas are based on establishing restricted zones, assigning operational boxes and using ceiling limits determined on the basis of aircraft type. This has created problems, Baldazzi says, particularly in "friend or foe identification, especially where the battlespace is not linear such as in Afghanistan.

"We cannot afford deconflicted airspace," he says. "We have too many aircraft that can fly at too many different altitudes; they are operated by too many nations and by too many different services. So we must become integrated."
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2006/03/14/205379/animation-near-misses-...

Thanks to some clues people have given me I have been able to find more info and articles confirming the story

http://www.gatco.org/transmit.html

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• RPV
• German
• Army
• Luna
• UAV
• Mishap
• Ariana
• Afghan
• Airlines
• Airbus
• A300

[stevefriedell]

all of that computer and radar technology and it might as well be wiber and orville up there. jesus christ!

[ATFSCrash]

This is real life not Hollyweird. Computers and radar are not all seeing and knowing as Hollyweird and many other propagandists would like you to think. Part of the problem is they were too dependent on computers and radar and had become complacent.

[thesupahfly]

Mishap - possibly, ATC mishap if any

Hoax - thats doubtfull, theres nothing funny about causing a fatal airline crash

Terrorism - German army or civilian aircraft? either way i dont think so,

your 3 stupid answers to your 3 stupid questions

[ATFSCrash]

Thesupahfly: At the time I posted it I didn't know if it was authentic or the details. Since then it has been proven to be authentic. Some details in the video description. Youtubers and other people on the Internet have helped identify the mishap/close call. The location and type of aircraft, ect... It is not a hoax or terrorism.

[ATFSCrash]

thesupahfly "Hoax - thats doubtfull, theres nothing funny about causing a fatal airline crash"

That hasn't stopped conspiracy nuts and subversives from claiming ridiculous things like the 9/11 attacks were not airplanes they were missiles or done with demolitions. Some people are delusional and or sociopaths, they often don't care how many people their hoaxes hurt. Some people are so selfish and evil they will support a nutty conspiracy theory and support terrorism and slander good people.

[Nicoladrag]

at the last second, you can just see the Airbus bank right, crew probably JUST seen UAV. dont think its a hoax.

[ipisking]

This would have been the talk of the day at work here at the airport if we would have heard about it. The military before sending anything into the airspace close to the Kabul airport is to inform the tower and we tell them if it is clear or not!!

If the Germans done this with out clearance shame on you!!!!

[Learjetjock]

Wow, quite a close call there. It actually looks like the wing got clipped.

[chestacity4lyf]

wow

[ibo2147]

This may be new german UAV microdrone :)))

[phygos2003]

Close ... very close. Could have caused a terrible aircrash. The drone is´nt so big, but a direkt hit in the wings or engines ... donßt think that much of the passengers woukd have survived. And zhe airport rescusteames + hospitals in Kabul .. don´t think the are so well equiped

[theunknownknows]

Some, I believe, don't believe the conspiracies themselves, but have other agendas. Mostly racist. Take a quick look. Examine the people who give you free home-burned DVDs on the subject. They have hidden agendas.

[PashMaster01]

Well, there are many UAVs. Wiki it, and you'll see. Most of them can fly at treetop level, but there don't like to as its meant to be recon, so they fly high to avoid being seen.

Same goes to the Attack versions. high means safer. And their weapondary systems can go very far at high speed too.

[CLK15]

Big oops