Benedict XVI and Bartholomew I recite the Creed in Greek

ΠΙΣΤΕΥΩ ΕΙΣ ΕΝΑ ΘΕΟΝ ΠΑΤΕΡΑ ΠΑΝΤΟΚΡΑΤΟΡΑ, ΠΟΙΗΤΗΝ ΟΥΡΑΝΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΓΗΣ, ΟΡΑΤΩΝ ΤΕ ΠΑΝΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΑΟΡΑΤΩΝ. ΚΑΙ ΕΙΣ ΕΝΑ ΚΥΡΙΟΝ ΙΗΣΟΥΝ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΝ, ΤΟΝ ΥΙΟΝ ΤΟΥ ΘΕΟΥ ΤΟΝ ΜΟΝΟΓΕΝΗ, ΤΟΝ ΕΚ ΤΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΓΕΝΝΗΘΕΝΤΑ ΠΡΟ ΠΑΝΤΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΑΙΩΝΩΝ, ΦΩΣ ΕΚ ΦΩΤΟΣ, ΘΕΟΝ ΑΛΗΘΙΝΟΝ ΕΚ ΘΕΟΥ ΑΛΗΘΙΝΟΥ, ΓΕΝΝΗΘΕΝΤΑ ΟΥ ΠΟΙΗΘΕΝΤΑ, ΟΜΟΟΥΣΙΟΝ ΤΩΙ ΠΑΤΡΙ. ΔΙ' ΟΥ ΤΑ ΠΑΝΤΑ ΕΓΕΝΕΤΟ. ΤΟΝ ΔΙ ΗΜΑΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΗΜΕΤΕΡΑΝ ΣΩΤΕΡΙΑΝ ΚΑΤΕΛΘΟΝΤΑ ΕΚ ΤΩΝ ΟΥΡΑΝΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΣΑΡΚΩΘΕΝΤΑ ΕΚ ΠΝΕΑΥΜΑΤΟΣ ΑΓΙΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΜΑΡΙΑΣ ΤΗΣ ΠΑΡΘΕΝΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΕΝΑΝΘΡΩΠΗΣΑΝΤΑ, ΣΤΑΥΡΩΘΕΝΤΑ ΤΕ ΥΠΕΡ ΗΜΩΝ ΕΠΙ ΠΟΝΤΙΟΥ ΠΙΛΑΤΟΥ, ΚΑΙ ΠΑΘΟΝΤΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΑΦΕΝΤΑ, ΚΑΙ ΑΝΑΣΤΑΝΤΑ ΤΗΙ ΤΡΙΤΗΙ ΗΜΕΡΑ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΑΣ ΓΡΑΦΑΣ, ΚΑΙ ΑΝΕΛΘΟΝΤΑ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΟΥΡΑΝΟΥΣ, ΚΑΙ ΚΑΘΕΖΟΜΕΝΟΝ ΕΚ ΔΕΞΙΑΝ ΤΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΑΛΙΝ ΕΡΧΟΜΕΝΟΝ ΜΕΤΑ ΔΟΞΗΣ ΚΡΙΝΑΙ ΖΩΝΤΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΝΕΚΡΟΥΣ. ΟΥ ΤΗΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΣ ΟΥΚ ΕΣΤΑΙ ΤΕΛΟΣ. ΚΑΙ ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΠΝΕΥΜΑ ΤΟ ΑΓΙΟΝ, ΤΟ ΚΥΡΙΟΝ, ΤΟ ΖΩΟΠΟΙΟΝ, ΤΟ ΕΚ ΤΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΕΚΠΟΡΕΥΟΜΕΝΟΝ, ΤΟ ΣΥΝ ΠΑΤΡΙ ΚΑΙ ΥΙΩΙ ΣΥΜΠΡΟΣΚΥΝΟΥΜΕΝΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΣΥΝΔΟΞΑΖΟΜΕΝΟΝ, ΤΟ ΛΑΛΗΣΑΝ ΔΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΦΗΤΩΝ. ΕΙΣ ΜΙΑΝ, ΑΓΙΑΝ, ΚΑΘΟΛΙΚΗΝ ΚΑΙ ΑΜΑΡΤΙΩΝ. ΠΡΟΣΔΟΚΟΥΜΕΝΟΝ ΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΙΝ ΝΕΚΡΩΝ, ΚΑΙ ΖΩΗΝ ΤΟΥ ΜΕΛΛΟΝΤΟΣ ΑΙΩΝΟΣ. ΑΜΗΝ.

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[gtepp031387]

A) Peter possibly ordained Ignatius, some fathers state otherwise though, yet I believe Peter did. However only Linus was given the keys to the kingdom.

B) Please deposits a father who states "first among equals" and then I will deposits 10 who state the bishop of Rome was first as per authority.

[George oeo]

please read ecclestiastical history!!!

a)the first church founded by Peter in the city of Antioch modern day Turkey

b) The bishop of Rome was first among EQUALS because Rme was the capital of Roman Empire and this is the reason only!

[pelekanos92]

May the Church be whole again, breathing with both her lungs, and together, not as Catholics and Orthodox but as Christians, recite the Creed in front of our Father, who is in Heaven.

Orthodox greetings to the Roman Catholic brothers and sisters!!!

[Lhein33]

I also consider our discussion went too far.

Excuse me for not giving many quotes, but as I've said I don't consider them to be the right way to truth; history has to be studied as a whole. E.g you may say the eastern bishops called pope Leo "bishop of their mother Church", which is true, but you don't assossiate this behavior to their attitude later, during the Synod, when they put under discretion his Tome & even issued a canon against his will. Rhetoric & prim adderesses were sth common then.

[gtepp031387]

I think our convo is over you just post a bunch of opinion and speculation...which I have grow tired of.

[Lhein33]

You make logical leaps:

1.From the common belief that Peter is coryphaeus, you go to the doctrine that Peter weighs more than the whole Church & can do things without anybody else, as infallible & vicar

2.You believe that jure divino only Peter' successor is Peter himself; what about Paul's & John's successors?

3.From all the bishops established by Peter, you name only one diocese his true successor, while the Church named much more; not to mention that Apostolic Sees are not only those of Peter

[gtepp031387]

It really is unquetionable that all the early church interprited the holy scriptures, and the holy traditions, as Peter being the head and chief of the apostles...and not one or two fathers....as I said name a father and I will show he believed in the primacy of Peter....I am that confident that I will allow you to name any father....This was universally accepted and understood....you try to play an issue down that every father speak on...surley you must see the importance.

[gtepp031387]

Ambrose of Milan

[Christ] made answer: "You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church . . ." Could he not, then, strengthen the faith of the man to whom, acting on his own authority, he gave the kingdom, whom he called the rock, thereby declaring him to be the foundation of the Church [Matt. 16:18]? (The Faith 4:5 [A.D. 379]).

[gtepp031387]

Cyril of Jerusalem

In the power of the same Holy Spirit, Peter, both the chief of the apostles and the keeper of the keys of the kingdom of heaven, in the name of Christ healed Aeneas the paralytic at Lydda, which is now called Diospolis [Acts 9 ;3 2-3 4] (Catechetical Lectures 17;27 [A.D. 350]).

[gtepp031387]

Clement of Alexandria

[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute