Beethoven: Symphony No. 2 in D major - 4th Movement
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@cinnamonkitties yes indeed. I'm sure baroque music appeared quite old fashioned to them. No doubt CPE Bach and JC Bach had more of an influence.
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@cinnamonkitties I guess you are correct though; the relationship between Mozart and Bach is often overemphasized and romantisized and ignores influences on Mozart such as the Gothic Revival n such.
Ha, I guess what I was getting at was that (in my opinion) Beethoven's 2nd is much more powerful than his 1st Symphony, and is closer to the Eroica than, say, the compositions of Haydn and Mozart.
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@AbuseDaForce Well nobody thinks he had 0% influence, true enough. I bet the Bach sons had a lot more influence on him than Bach Sr, as you call him, though. They were the rock stars of their day, old Bach was just that, old hat. He was writing in a totally different style.
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@AbuseDaForce I do acknowledge that "piggy backed off of Bach initially" was probably the wrong phrasing to use.
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@cinnamonkitties Im sorry but yes. Just because their works don't sound much like Bach's doesn't mean he had 0% influence on them. Mozart wrote many fugues as experiments, and was influenced by Bach's unique style of counterpoint(which Mozart used more prominently post 1786.) I do agree with you that this is closer to Mozart than Mozart ever was to Bach Sr. If you notice, however, early Mozart sounds very similar to Johann Christian Bach. Not my original point, but interesting none the less.
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@AbuseDaForce I'm sorry, but no about Haydn and Mozart. Even their earliest works have very little relation to Bach's. This is much closer to Mozart than Mozart ever was to Bach, but still definitely Beethoven
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@AkatsukiPR0 thanks ^+^
I heard part of it in an animated short (Forget what it was called, but it was a speachless animation bout a dog lost in some kinda factory :P) and I ben tryin to find it :D
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@MrSonicblast That's No. 5.
it's funny because this movement was based on um... gastrointestinal difficulties that he had when he was depressed. just listen to the intro... burp, fart, rumble
mafiaslicka 1 year ago 7
@mrbrianmccarthy Beethoven is tempering his unique style that is found in his later works, i wouldn't call this a tribute; for me this piece screams Beethoven. not the way the !st movement of his 3rd does of course
Haydn and Mozart piggy backed initially from Bach as well to develope their own particular sounds.
AbuseDaForce 4 months ago