Trinity & Nicene Creeds Contradict the Bible

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HMFuB06qEg

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxXXWKJ-Agk

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrSODld_5TI

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4pTUXXeiak

In this discussion, we see how drastically wrong the Creeds went in defining the relationship of the Father with the Son and Holy Spirit.

Without revelation, men fail to comprehend God. The late developed doctrine of the trinity demonstrates this perfectly. With revelation and the scriptures we rest on a much firmer foundation for truth.

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[scooner67]

Wow...the level ignorance of how orthodoxy and the creeds were formed is absolutely astonishing. The trinity is based clearly on the implications of the subject object relationship that exist between the Father and the Son and based on sola scriptura and the stricted observence of monotheism. Trinitians are monotheist in the strict sense that we beleive in ONE God who has reveal Himself as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Momans on the other hand are Polytheist as their founder taught

[TheBackyardProfessor]

You're wrong, but don't let that stop you from believing falsehoods about Mormons. You don't know what polytheism is or means do you..... It shows, I promise. And you speak of ignorance on our part eh? Pot-kettle-black......

[scooner67]

Maybe ignorance wasn't the best choice of words. You obviously have put a lot of thought and study into finding reasons to support your claims..so in the spirit of charity and future discussion I withdraw the contentious statement....however I do support my conclusions and if need be can support them.

[TheBackyardProfessor]

And I apologize for returning being a little brisk. I also will try to be civil. I would, however, enjoy seeing your interpretations. I still think there is a bit you are misunderstanding from the Mormon view.

[TrueChurchLDS]

actually no, Joseph smith wasn't affiliated with any secret societies whatsoever.

the only time Joseph smith spent was proselyting new membership into the church of Jesus Christ.

Joseph Smith was never successfully proselyted prior to his knowledge where the true Church was.

[GodLovedJosephSmith]

Joseph Smith was no Catholic. Joseph Smith was not a protestant. I'm not sure what you mean by "Joseph got his power from 'them.'

Joseph's whole purpose in the prayer was to seek the truth. He didn't ask for the calling. Joseph Smith was chosen and called in an answer to that prayer.

If the Protestant who did return to several of the purer doctrines concerning Christ, but were excommunicated by the Pope, who has NOT authority from God, then the Protestants have no leg to stand on.

[fannyslapper33]

I became an athiest last year and ive never felt better :)

[scooner67]

@Jehovahourgod Not that history is not important, but what can history tell us that biblical exegesis cannot regarding the nature of God? All your post demonstrates is your opposition to trinitarian understanding, but in no way refutes what trinitarian's believe regarding the nature of God. Present an argument, rather than your dogmatic assertions built upon your opinion!!!

[Jehovahourgod]

@scooner67 The word "TRINITY" is not in the Bible and is a man made doctrine institutionalized by the Roman Catholic church, subsequently, the Roman Catholic church being pagan adopted pagan customs and practices from the Romans, Egypt, Greece and Babylon. The trinity was practiced by pagan worshipers of false gods with three heads. You need to study your history and the origination of the paganism of the trinity. Jesus is the SON OF GOD, NOT GOD JEHOVAH. Convoluted logic equals trinity.

[Danielezerable]

@scooner67

"explain Jesus usage of the word 'hen' as it relates to Deut 6:4 in Mk 12:29 and Mt 19:5"

He used "heis" meaning "one".

[scooner67]

@Danielezerable Be happy to answer that, but first explain Jesus usage of the word "hen" as it relates to Deut 6:4 in Mk 12:29 and Mt 19:5

[Danielezerable]

@scooner67 Do you know where the Father was when Jesus hung on the tree?

[scooner67]

@Danielezerable

Both texts used "unified oneness" words rather than absolute numeric oneness to the exclusion of all others.

[scooner67]

@Danielezerable //And, no, look it up in a Hebrew Lexicon: echad means one (number).// Then please explain why Jesus quoted Deut 6:4 in Mk 12:29 and chose the "unified oneness" word "hen" which is the same word used by Jesus in Mt 19:5, "the two shall become one (hen) flesh. It is significant that Jesus did not use "mono" in Mk 12:29. The word "hen" directly corresponds to "echad" which was used in Deut 6:4.

[scooner67]

@Danielezerable In no way have I divided God into three separate "beings", that would be tritheism. However I do recognize how such categorical errors are made. Being describes What something is...it's nature....personal distinctions describe Who someone is.  In scripture it is clear that Jesus is distinct from the father, but we know from scripture He shares His divine nature.

[Danielezerable]

@scooner67 No, that is a contradiction. You have now divided them into three SEPARATE BEINGS! Are they three parts or are they three Gods? Simply sharing the attributes of deity is splitting them into three and saying that one truly isn't fully God. One must be knocked out of God. And, no, look it up in a Hebrew Lexicon: echad means one (number).