No True Scotsman

A response to the critics who commented on my recent videos — 'atheism as congruence' and 'transition to atheism' — that, because I am now an atheist, I was never the christian child I claimed to be.

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[ingridaaa1]

Question about the person x argument. It says that "George" never met person x but Matthew wrote Matthew. Matthew met Jesus. And, Jesus is God. So, doesn't it follow that "George" did meet "Person X"?

[TheraminTrees]

@ingridaaa1 'And, Jesus is God.'

—And the evidence for that is?

[vaiority]

Hmm... So I'm an atheist, but thinking from a religious point of view, I think I've found a flaw in the "Person X" argument. Yes, the Bible was written by humans, but the religious person could argue that God worked through the writers to create the Bible. (I'm not sure if every denomination believes this, but I know the church my family takes me to asserts this). So if this was the case, then a believer would not be putting his faith in a human, but rather the work of God himself.

[TheraminTrees]

@vaiority 'the religious person could argue that God worked through the writers to create the Bible'

—They could claim that — we can all claim all kinds of bizarre stuff. How does that affect the Person X argument? The Person X argument is about direct personal access. Did this proposed god tell them that it worked through the bible authors? If not, where did this idea of divine authorship originate? Humans. If they claim it did, let's hear the substantiation for that claim.

[AtheistExplains]

Well done!

I was an extremely devoted Christian once and Christians, whose involvement with their faith was to flip a coin on Sunday morning to see if they'd go to a service, had the audacity to say I was never a true Christian once I 'turned'. I never saw them building homes for the homeless, read a bible, or doing any other works that the faith compels others to do. Seems I set the faith bar much higher than their faith but it was never real. What does that say about them?

[TheraminTrees]

@AtheistExplains The 'You were never a christian' line is a rather desperate piece of rhetoric — and as you point out, often a deeply ironic piece of rhetoric considering some of the folks who come out with it. I've long wanted to do a follow-up to this video to add several other points — for instance to debunk the unworkable, but repeatedly cited, 1 Johns 2, v.19 defence, among other quoted passages. I'll now be putting that follow-up on my list of things to do.

[SkepticalBliss]

Person X said it

I believe it

That settles it. LMAO! Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face.

[AprilOceanBlue]

I'm praying for you. :3

[TheBiAtheist]

@TheBIGgourami Probably the people this video was sent to. -_-

[Slantsixx]

You sound like Jony Ive.

[taffysaur]

convert to person x, you heathens!!!

[f00tstep]

@ingridaaa1 Think about where you heard that information to find out why this is a poor argument.

[beautyinbreakdowns2]

@theramintrees thanks for pointing up the ridiculous once again. I agree, it's a desperate argument and yet typical of people who deeply invested in their faith. These kinds of arguments confirm for me that these people are truly delusional and need help, not in a pejorative sense but in a clinical sense.