Arminian Minute: Response to John Piper & "Emotional Possibilities"

Is grieving over the lost consistent with the Calvinist belief in Unconditional election? If everything that happens, including the wicked perishing due to God's decree, is for the praise of God's glory, then why would the apostle Paul have grieved over his lost Jewish countrymen (Romans 9)?

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[ronathanedwards]

Typical Arminian thought. Base everything on inference and build an argument on an incorrect assumption. Maybe Paul.. I don't know... LOVED his countrymen and (although knowing God's plan for many of them) still could have strong feelings for them. This isn't inconsistent at all. The fact is, your basis is all assumption and bad hermeneutics.

You want to take on PIper!! LOL

NO ONE has even DARED to tackle his Book on this subject. "The Justification of God".... LOL

[ThePristineFaith]

@ronathanedwards While I admire Piper in a lot of areas, I often find his exegesis of Calvinist "proof texts" strained. I do not consider his arguments formidable in the least bit, and contrary to your claims, there have been others who have sufficiently dismantled his "superior" arguments.

[patrckhh20]

@ronathanedwards Its all arminians can do man. "You believe in election so you can't love anyone!!!" What a joke.

[tvires1978]

What I find interesting is that some people try and use dispensationalism to remove the significance of Romans 9. God's sovereign will is evident throughout scripture, Paul's letter to the Romans just removes all ambiguity. This is why it's referred to so much. In the same way, if one wants to argue that Jesus doesn't accept all who come we lead them to John 3:16. It's not as if it is the only place where this is found, it just makes a clear statement. I speak in love, brother. God bless u

[tvires1978]

@squashedgecko To restate: Paul answers every objection. "But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction," Romans 9:20-22

Who are you, oh man?

[squashedgecko]

What I find interesting is how calvinists treat Romans 9 like it is the bible and therefore has the highest authority. Jesus Himself said concerning the goats on the day of judgment, "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." (Matthew 25:41) If hell was designed for the predestined, as I assume it would have to be in order for the idea of calvinistic predestination to make sense, why would he say hell was prepared for satan not humans?

[squashedgecko]

@tvires1978 Why is it that Romans 9 is the bible? Ezekiel 18:32 "For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!" Ephesians 1:11 "In Him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will..." If God works out everything in accordance with what pleases Him, why do you suppose He predestines some to death although it is not His pleasure?

[lowbattery34]

The sovereign will of God is straight forward in scripture.

[tvires1978]

Have you even read Romans 9?

Paul leaves no room for interpretation. He answers every objection that arminians could ever think to raise.

[tvires1978]

Have you even read Romans 9?