Frogs are useful, part II (Thermodynamics): CrEvo Rant #94 Wazooloo

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In this rant, Ian discusses more scientific and natural laws that evolution must violate, thus showing evolution is neither scientific nor natural, but supernatural by definition.

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[Samuelwhatshisface]

And you completely skipped over the reason that entropy can decrease in an open system; there is energy input, also can be thought of as a local decrease in entropy, while the entropy elsewhere in the system (defined to minimise energy flux from or to) will increase. You can't just say that closed systems don't exist so we shouldn't try defining systems as closed; the useful equations only hold for closed systems, so to evaluate it, a quasi-ideal closed system should be aspired to.

[Samuelwhatshisface]

Scientific laws can be violated; Hooke's law, Boyle's gas law, even Newton's laws don't apply when particles are travelling extremely fast. Laws of biology are like this; applied and work in regard to specific details; similarly, biological laws work within biology. Furthermore, current abiogenesis theory states that life doesn't arise directly from non-life, and several intermediate steps are required.

[IoEstasCedonta]

There is a single closed system, and that system alone is what the second law of thermodynamics, the way you phrase it, implies: "the entropy of *the universe* is always increasing." As a consequence of this, every process that decreases entropy in one body increases it in another - however, such processes do exist, and life happens to be one of them. If you doubt such processes exist, how does your refrigerator work? By intelligent agency, yes, but humans are bound by the laws of physics.

[Ripley747]

@creationcamp Yes, I've studied the 2nd law...in great detail. I've taken more thermo than anyone would ever want to take. Thermo in chemistry, thermo in physics, thermo in engineering, thermo in engineering labs. It's not evo rhetoric. I'll send you a PM. It's hard to explain in 500 chars. Rest assured, entropy increases in a closed system (the universe) and doesn't necessarily in an open system. It's physics, not rhetoric.

[creationcamp]

@Ripley747

Have you studied it? The Universe is theoretically a closed system, but we can and do only test it in an open system...and all data is based on an open system. A closed is in THEORY ONLY...and by the way....we are in the Universe...so how does either system not apply? It's evo rhetoric, all testing is in an open system and proves that a closed system would only be MORE valid...But, since it is 100% valid in an open system, how much more valid would a closed system be, 110%?

[Ripley747]

The universe is a closed system, Mr. Juby. Have you even studied thermodynamics? This is the 2nd video I've seen where you've claimed that closed systems don't exist. Unfortunately, you're wrong.

[ancientwell]

@Devin82m After all this time, you still haven't learned what "poisoning the well" means. Here's a hint...Disagreeing with you is not the definition of "poisoning the well."

[MomoTheBellyDancer]

@Dudex58

"materials don't know they are aware."

Brains manage to do that very well, thank you.

[Cactarpus]

Wow sir, you obviously have no understanding of the scientific method and what 'laws' actually are. I am sure glad there isn't people like you writing science books and running the United States...Oh wait there is, we are screwed.

[DoomsdayWars]

On the episode of South Park where Cartman pretended to be retarded what they don't show you is the video he was studying directly after Kid Rock was of Ian Juby.