"Symptoms of Sobriety" by Father Joseph C. Martin

This film deals with the signs of recovery from alcoholism. Alcoholics can get well, but there are degrees of good health, as well as degrees of sickness. In this film, Father Martin spells out what he feels are the symptoms of ideal sobriety.

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[wingnut090290]

Father Joseph Martin really was a Catholic priest. His words have helped me start on my recovery and I am still sober to this day.

[rwsandman]

The Oxford Group is a predecessor of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Catholic Church hated the Oxford Group. Now they're in bed together???

[kisshoney34]

why are people so threatened by AA? Why are people so scared? Is it because the 12 Steps holds a mirror up to your life and makes you take responsibility for it? AA saved my life and my families life. I get everything I need from the love and support of my fellows and if others think is a bunch of bull roar why not keep you opinion to yourself and be on your merry way? Perhaps you attended AA and couldn't stand the sight of yourself...just sayin..

[MrJackshuman]

@AnviIOfKrom My "personal recovery" does NOT depend on AA unity. I doubt anyone else's truly does either, though they may think it does--sad.

[AnviIOfKrom]

@MrJackshuman

"The first tradition holds the ORGANIZATION of AA higher than anyone or anything"

1st TRADITION: "Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon AA unity"

Q: What is "our common welfare"?

A: The welfare that all AAs have in common - PERSONAL SOBRIETY

PERSONAL SOBRIETY is the point of COMMON WELFARE that comes first. And that PERSONAL SOBRIETY depends on AA UNITY.

One interest does not supersede the other. Both interests are INTERDEPENDENT.

[MrJackshuman]

@rickyd0821 I have no desire for AA inventories. It's not my religion or part of my belief system. The first tradition holds the ORGANIZATION of AA higher than anyone or anything. That's one of the reason it gets criticized. Furthermore, AA has put it in people's heads that an organization is necessary for an alcoholic's recovery--not true. Many AA members drink; you have no insurance for your future sobriety. The way that you keep from drinking is to simply not drink.

[rickyd0821]

@MrJackshuman you can come and go as you please in AA. The reason i stsay is to help others and in doing so I take out future insurance for my own sobriety. It is about giving. Resentments are toxic. I have no need to go out and degrade any other options. Sounds like someone has an agenda/ resentment. message me, maybe we can work that out in a quick inventory.

[MrJackshuman]

@philbluntuk An alcoholic always cures his addiction one way: By not drinking. One of the biggest problems I have with AA is that an alcoholic is not allowed to outgrow AA. As it stands, if an alcoholic leaves AA, he/she dies. Those are Wilson's own words, "...most of us will surely die." All one has to do is Google AA alternatives and one can find them. SOS is great. I'm a member online though not f2f.

[philbluntuk]

@MrJackshuman How would you recommend an alcoholic cures his affliction?

[MrJackshuman]

@philbluntuk I have several hobbies, only one of them is donning the cape and saving newcomers from greezy old-timers with the spiritual experience/spiritual growth lie.

[MrJackshuman]

@moejeffreys Several "isolated locations" in fact, several. I'm glad it worked for you but I'm also glad I recognized it as another money-making ruse similar to tv evangelism. So glad I never drank the kool-aid and I want to spread the word to others: You don't need AA to stop drinking. Happy sobriety moejeffreys.

[MrJackshuman]

I don't believe in the disease concept and I certainly have no faith in AA. To those for whom it works, I'm happy for you. To the newbies, please don't be poisoned by the sick philosophy of AA--it's all lies. Newcomers, please try the alternatives such as SOS and use Google to get information. There are a lot of us anti-AA people. Good luck newcomers to a sober life, and remember, you don't have to follow the AA carrot to stay sober. I have 24 years without AA. Peace and love.