Lt Gov Ramsey of Tennessee: unAmerican

A tip of the hat to www.youtube.com/hallcyon for sending me this link: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/tennessee-lt-gov-religious-freedom...

You may also enjoy 'Don't be a Sucker (1947)', an anti-fascist film produced by US Military in the wake of WWII, the producers deconstructs the politically motivated social engineering of Germany by the Nazi regime. It's argument is just as timely and relevant today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk

The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
Introduced to the Virginia General Assembly, 12 June 1779
Passed, 16 January 1786

Further information at http://www.virginiamemory.com/online_classroom/shaping_the_constitution/doc/r... and text from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Statute_for_Religious_Freedom

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[samala5793]

Freedom of religion is for EVERYONE!!! We don't get to pick and choose...if we allow someone in government to discriminate against muslims...who's next?

[DLandonCole]

@rphamning and how many aren't but will happily play to the crowd

[Muskateering]

@samala5793 Pat, hopefully.

[DLandonCole]

@TheFakeBarbarian There is no Islamic world. Bloody hell, is it that hard to grasp that you can't organise that many people to agree on anything?

I don't see Islam as a monster, but we beat the Nazis without concentration camps and the Soviets without gulags.

[TheFakeBarbarian]

@DLandonCole Not sure about your argument - the "Islamic world" has been shoving Sharia law down infidel throats since 622 AD. I see no reason why we can't return the favor..

You can't fight and defeat monsters without monstrosity. Islam is what it is - fascism multiplied by religious zeal, and it has to be dealt accordingly.

The 1st amendment is NOT an immutable truth. It is a strategy that has its limitations. And fails badly when used to deal with political-religious hybrids like Islam.

[DLandonCole]

@TheFakeBarbarian Sigh... and you think that's enforceable? Quite apart from the monstrous illiberalism?

[TheFakeBarbarian]

@DLandonCole let's borrow the idea from Muslims themselves....everyone who identifies as a Muslim will have to pay a "reverse-jizziya" tax of 70% straight. If you want to stop paying it, convert to any other religion of choice, doesn't matter if its voodoo. Your witness in a court of law will not be acceptable if you are a Muslim. Its a long list...over the centuries no one has figured out more creative ways for forced conversion than Muslims....

[DLandonCole]

@TheFakeBarbarian You don't get to tell Muslims what they believe.

Tell me - how exactly do you propose banning Islam?

[TheFakeBarbarian]

@DLandonCole Muslims in India in 1940s asking for Pakistan is no different than say Mormons demanding MormonVille, except they don't because their holy book unlike the Koran does not have political conquest at its core.

The "freedom of religion" principle is inadequate wrt Islam and end's up letting the Camel's nose into the tent. The right thing to do is ban Islam. it's extreme but much better than hoping the snake won't bite because you feed it.

[dictionar1]

@dictionar1 i watched "don't be a sucker" and i was especially turned off at the stereotype of the average german citizen being naive rats following a pied piper. the ppl of austria, salzburg and obersalzburg, for example, detested the presence of hitler and the ss guard training there. it showed 3 german men who perished in the fighting. many of the ss guards chose to be captured close to the end of the war, and wound up in our own cia, interestingly enough. just a thought.

[DLandonCole]

@dictionar1 No-one is going to impose it on you. Calm down.

[DLandonCole]

@TheFakeBarbarian Because it's a radically different situation, it's not decolonisation, Muslims aren't a significant proportion of the population of the US, Muslims in the US don't want to be apart, we've learnt from the past and we're not setting up a new state.