Elgar: Enigma Variations: Part 1

A part of the Celebration of English Music series. The next part of this video will be uploaded soon.

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Music

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• classical
• music
• elgar
• earthatic
• enigma
• variations
• english

[alterpenner92]

wonderful, I love it, but where is the 2nd part ?

I cant find it but i want to listen it ....

[earthatic]

If you want me to, I'll upload it soon!

[Sirpadgett]

@SuperAncientmariner Correct. Anything remotely Teutonic was verbotten in English society.

[SuperAncientmariner]

@Sirpadgett My final thought: You deserve to be correct given what you have put into it, but, for me, I don't think you are. If you are, you will go down in musical history.

Regards.

[SuperAncientmariner]

@Sirpadgett How can I be convinced that what you suggest was wht Elgar planned. Again I ask, Is the template that you used to solve this mystery by Elgars hand? Did he leave it to help us?. I don't know.. that is why I ask.

I listened to your audio demonstration. To my ears it sounds like the EGF theme is altered to fit each variation of it's counterpoint (If that IS what Elgar's theme is). Surely, each counterpoint variation should fit "through and over" the EGF.

[SuperAncientmariner]

@Sirpadgett But my doubt is the debate. You are asking the world, me included, to accept your discovery based on encriptions and codes and formulae. Any doubts placed against your points of validation makes it debatable. I was taught that the friends in the variations were all musically capable, and the suite came about when, on playing his "original" theme to his wife he demonstrated how each friend might play it and it progressed from that idea.....

[Sirpadgett]

@SuperAncientmariner What you believe is irrelevant to the debate. The only thing that matters is what Elgar planned when he composed his most enigmatic orchestral work.

[SuperAncientmariner]

@Sirpadgett As for Holst, I presume his dropping the "von" was because of it being Germanic purely through association because his family was, I believe, Swedish

[SuperAncientmariner]

@Sirpadgett I do not doubt his expertise in ciphers and anagrams. I just stated that I do not believe he would have gone through all that to compose this work , and 15 years before the outbreak of the Great War with all it's anti Germanic feelings. So, that I may understand better, are you saying that the cipher template that you used is by Elgar himself.? If so, why has it not been available to other seekers, musical brains and the various notaries of the music world?

[Sirpadgett]

@SuperAncientmariner Following the tragedy of the Great War in which millions of British soldiers were slaughtered in the trenches, Elgar would understandably desire to keep his covert theme a perpetual secret. 'Ein feste Burg' was sung by German troops preparing for go into battle and to commemorate their victories. Any associated with anything German after the Great War was social and artistic suicide. Even Gustav Holst had to drop the 'von' in his name.

[Sirpadgett]

@SuperAncientmariner I wish that it were my own invention. Unfortunately, I am not brilliant enough to contrive such a cipher, particularly one that uses multiple languages, phonetic spellings, and an elegant 24 letter anagram that spells 'Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott.' Consider, the Enigma cipher employs multiple Latin words, a language I never formerly studied.