Re: A Lesson for Anarcho-Capitalists

Note: when I say "capitalism," I mean State Capitalism (what this guy, and most normal people, understands as "capitalism), not voluntaryism.

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[DannyOKC]

This man ignores history. Perhaps he's never read any.

[Franc28]

Nothing I said had anything to do with history. I think your ignorance lies more in the english language... !

[DannyOKC]

I'm a former newspaper editor and copy editor with an MA in English. I think I know the English language quite well. You, however, are ignoring the history of the word "socialism." It does not always mean "state socialism." It also means "libertarian socialism," which is stateless. You can easily prove this yourself by doing a simple Google search.

[Franc28]

I don't care about the history of words, only about how they are used now. We are speaking to each other right now, not a hundred years ago.

[RobertPFreeman]

At first I was going to reply ... "Capitalism IS fiscal anarchism" ... but then I saw your note.

I don't think you understand what capitalism is. "State capitalism" is not capitalism, it is a contradiction in terms. To have true capitalism is to have a free market. The existence of any coercive force (such as any state) in the market or upon the market negates capitalism.

So a true capitalist IS an anarchist, at least about fiscal matters.

[Franc28]

Capitalism is a statist ideology, and has nothing to do with Anarchism.

[TwinMoons2121]

Ummm... Yes you can. A socialist at least. The ancap question is up for debate but yeah, you can definitely be a socialist anarchist mainly because socialism means so many different things.

If you study the philosophies you find many of the first to call themselves socialists wee anarchists.

[fbendz]

And "state capitalism can't exist without the state" is a truism, isn't it?

[fbendz]

So Kropotkin and Bakunin were not anarchists???

[NDB1790]

Both socialism and laissez faire, free market capitalism can exist in stateless societies -- but only one has the chance of lasting. It's really a question of Individualism vs. Collectivism. And only of those choices is morally correct, achievable, and innately human.

[FATToney12]

"Note: when I say "capitalism," I mean State Capitalism "

[spiggitybap]

"Neither capitalist nor socialist policies can be implemented without a state."

Ok...so? Anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism, and vice versa. Neither require state-implemented policy; both require the absence of state violence.

[Subtropicx]

well no he is right in the sense that in socialism the state is what re distributes the weath and the goods thats true, anarchists deny all state existance as it denys true freedom, taxs, and uses force.

[DannyOKC]

Anarchism implies socialism NOW. Right now. And it has since at least 1840. 1840-now. It's a fact, jack. It's in black and white. I can give you an extensive list of books, pamphlets, and newspapers, if you want to check for yourself.