Genesis 32-Hazakim

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[elmdub]

@moronthannot All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee." this is a Messianic Prophecy starting at 27-31, this will to happen to the Jewish People continually always with opposition from being a nation, It was National and above all Messianic, Bulls, are figurative speech im sure he didnt have bulls of bashan surrounding him, or being pierced he was KING! the nations were inevitable knowing of the Lord!

[BuyaahKazan]

@moronthannot 1-21 lead up to the crucifixion, 22-31 speak of what happens after it.

with as climax: 30 In the future, everyone

will worship

and learn

about you, our Lord.

31 People not yet born

will be told,

“The Lord has saved us!”

[BuyaahKazan]

@moronthannot "We" The whole of humankind crucified CHRIST, that to me ads up to a number of nations, Rest asured Satan and his army were gnashing their teeth.

even if you don't take this spiritual, read Acts 2: 9-11 there were at least 16 nationalities in Jerusalem at that time.

On the other hand I'm certain Davids bones were not out of joint when he wrote this, nor were dogs tearing at his flesh, his heart didn't melt like wax. GOD always came to his rescue (David knew that), cont.

[moronthannot]

@BuyaahKazan It's amazing that you think this was about JC, because he was never threatened by any number of nations nor were they gnashing their teeth at him constantly. The only nations who had heard about him at that point were SOME of the Jews and SOME of the Romans. Jews make up 0.1-0.2% of the population today, let alone back then. Mighty bulls of Bashan were nowhere to be found, just some fickle legalistic Jews and some Romans who wanted to let him go! Hardly a depiction of Psalm 22.

[moronthannot]

@BuyaahKazan There is also a ton of stuff that David wrote that DIDN'T happen at the crucifixion than did in psalm 22. He spends 3-4 verses "supposedly" describing every detail, but what about all the nations that surround David? What about all the rabid animals who are out to get him? What about the mighty ones of Bashan? David was expressing the desperation of a man constantly in battle and endlessly threatened by war from neighboring nations. (cont...)

[BuyaahKazan]

@moronthannot It sure was not a coincidence, look at it from the side of David, he describes the events to the detail; "All my bones can be seen.

My enemies look at me and stare. They gamble for my clothes and divide them among themselves."

[moronthannot]

@BuyaahKazan I don't think this was coincidental at all. JC probably knew this psalm very well and his emotions at the time were mirroring that of David's. David felt lost and forsaken and cried out to the Creator. It may describe the details of someone who is being crucified, but I don't see how that proves anything. If it DOES prove anything, it is not unequivocally that JC was who he said he was. Lots of things mirror prophetic writing without qualifying as a fulfillment of prophecy...

[moronthannot]

@gershomexo22 "et" is a preposition that directs the verb to the subject. The reason one would say "alpha and omega" and "aleph taw" is because aleph is the first letter and taw is the last letter, meaning that they somehow are all encompassing. To make this statement is simply unprovable in and of itself. This attempt to connect "et" to JC is a moot point.

[TazHall]

@Flozzee Well of course. It's just that the music is also a good teaching tool and makes us go mack and read it in a new light.

[BuyaahKazan]

@moronthannot The Psalm describes the events on the day of the crucifixion to the smallest detail, it's also no coincidence this the Psalm JESUS recites, hanging on the cross.