Is the Trinity in the Old Testament Debate: Scholars Vs. Trinitarian Fundamentalist

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2011/05/is-trinity-in-old-testament.html

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[BeholderGuard]

Akhi Yahya, who is the guy in the grey video?

I want to find him and debate the living hell out of him lol :PPP

[YahyaSnow]

@BeholderGuard

Brother BG, he is a user on YT called keithtruth. You will find him if you search him on YT. Thanks

[IslamResponses]

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...they do not understand Allah's command and the call of the Prophet (pbuh) just as camels and cattle do not comprehend the words of their shepherd .)

even if you refute all their lies, they will keep repeating them over and over again to mislead more ignorant people.

“In the Final Judgment,he alone will be held accountable for his own decision. He won’t be able to blame a rabbi or missionary that he relied on instead of exercising his free will in studying and thinking for himself.

[IslamResponses]

(The likeness of those who disbelieve) vis-à-vis Muhammad (pbuh) (is as the likeness of one who calleth unto that which heareth nothing) just like camels and sheep with their shepherd: his speech is unintelligible to them when he says to them, for example, eat or drink (except a shout and a cry. Deaf) concerning the Truth, (dumb) regarding the Truth, (blind) to guidance; i.e. they pretend to be deaf, dumb and blind when it comes to the Truth and guidance, (therefore they have no sense)

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[pcandlve]

god is one . it is the message of every prophet . it is the message of jesus . jesus apostles never claimed that god is three . it is metaphysicly impossible that 3 entity are the source of existence but it has to be one source of power and wisdom that created every thing . and god , the one is the creator so he is not in the creation . thats mean that he is not in time or space cause he created time and space . trinity came years and years after jesus death

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@116Pilgrim said: "YHWH is 100% God but He also because flesh..."

So, you believe that YHWH God, who Himself proclaims, "I am God and not a man" (Hosea 11:9), became a man? God is not a man. (Numbers 23:19)

[ETHANGELIST]

I believe the Trinity is HINTED in the Old Testament, but not fully revealed or proven. The Trinity comes to be fully revealed and proven (after the Old Testament) by what the New Testament overall says when we apply sound exegesis to the text.

[116Pilgrim]

@HeroOfChristArchives I don't expect anything. I'm just defending the truth to my ability. I agree that YHWH is 100% God but He also became flesh as the Son, Jesus Christ. (John 1:14)

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@116Pilgrim

So, you're attempting to derive some correlation from the occurrences of εγω ειμι at John 8:58 and Isaiah 41:4, 43:10, 46:4? Using this twisted illogic, I could cite Hosea 11:9 as evidence that Jesus is not a man. After all, the expression θεος εγω ειμι και ουκ ανθρωπος translates, "I am (εγω ειμι) God and not a man." This God, YHWH, is consistently presented throughout the Tanakh as being 100% God and 0% man. Yet, you trinitarians expect us to believe God became a man?

[116Pilgrim]

@HeroOfChristArchives No. I'm contrasting John 8:58 with Isaiah 41:4, 43:10, 46:4.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@116Pilgrim

You're contrasting John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14, which reads:

ουτως ερεις τοις υιοις ισραηλ ο ων απεσταλκεν με προς υμας

"Thus you will say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM (ο ων) has sent me to you.'"

At John 8:58, Jesus is recorded as having said εγω ειμι, not ο ων. These two Greek expressions are dissimilar. Consequently, Jesus was not applying the declaration of YHWH God of Israel (Exodus 3:14) to himself, but merely proclaiming that he preexisted their patriarch Abraham.

[AbrahamicMovement]

@116Pilgrim Jesus is not YHWH [the "I AM" of Ex 3]. There is only One Who is YHWH, and that is his God and Father [Deu 6.4; Mar 12.29; Jn 17.1,3]. You cannot have an anointed YHWH, makes no sense!!