Jesus Didn't Satisfy God's Wrath: Part Two

Jesse Morrell talking about the atonement of Christ and how it relates to the wrath of God. This is moral government theology vs. Calvinism

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[AquaFiji7]

If Jesus' sacrifice did not satisfy the wrath of God, and was not the punishment for sin, then how can any Christian have assurance of salvation or total freedom from hell? What if Christ's sacrifice missed a spot? If I were to adopt you're way of thinking, I could make an easy argument for the loss of salvation, possibly a need for some sort of purgatory, but ultimately a works salvation. Are you saying that Christ's sacrifice was insufficient for the salvation of God's chosen people?

[bibletheology]

The atonement is a perfect substitute for the damnation of our entire race, so that if we turn from sin God will turn from His wrath without dishonoring his law. What Jesus did He did for all, but only those who repent are saved from God's wrath. We are saved from God's wrath at conversion, not at Calvary.

[EvangelistChristian]

@bibletheology Jesus' sacrifice had to be enough to satisfy God's wrath; He is the Son of God, who is perfect and without blemish. Only a sacrifice like Christ could satisfy God's wrath since no other sacrifice could have been good enough. It is totally insulting to God to say that Christ's sacrifice wasn't sufficient enough. The Bible always points to Christ in the New Testament as the way to salvation, and why God's wrath has been excused from believers. Because He sees Christ in believers

[bibletheology]

@EvangelistChristian The atonement of Christ was sufficient enough to enable God to turn away from His wrath without dishonoring or weakening His law. It is totally insultint to God to say that Christ's sacrifice wasn't sufficient enough to enable Him to righteously set aside His wrath.

[ixthustruth]

I think what they mean is that God's wrath is satisfied toward the "whosoever believes in him" because Jesus was a substitute in their place. If one doesn't see themselves crucified with Christ, then they are under God's wrath. If one is crucified with Christ then our sins were atoned for at the alter of the Cross.

[bibletheology]

But Jesus died for everyone and everyone is under God's wrath until they believe. Therefore God's wrath was not satisfied at the atonement. God does not turn from His wrath until sinners are converted.

[EvangelistChristian]

@bibletheology I said that Christ's death WAS sufficient enough for God to pardon His wrath from believers, so I don't know why you are accusing me of saying it wasn't sufficient...And seeing your comment from before, Jesus only died for those who the Lord knew He would save; not the entire world. Otherwise, wouldn't eveyone be going to heaven? The Bible teaches that Christ's death had limited atonement. Only God's elect people had Christ die for them.

[dankeewolnir4042]

I praise God for you brother... Thank you for all of your diligent work in seeking the Lord, and thank you for sharing it as He uses you to bless us all. Praise God.

[rkg62976]

What "Law" is Jesse speaking of when he talks of "God's Law"?

[Malachi811]

I think you may be forgetting Romans 1. I'm not exaclty sure by the wording of your comments...so I thought I'd mention that.

[ElasticGiraffe]

I adhere to the ransom/Christus Victor view of the atonement - not the moral government theory - but I support you totally in your fight against penal substitution and other satisfaction views.

Great videos. :)

[ChristianNewsWatch]

Since the Law was fulfilled by Christ & the Law was spiritually nailed to the cross... all of us who are born since the destruction of Old Covenant Israel in AD70 (the Temple destroyed as Christ predicted) are now in the New Covenant Age where evil exists, but it is not counted against us as "sin"!

This is God's plan hidden throughout the ages.... Time will show this to be true, yet most people will never see it because they are blinded by religion & don't truly seek God with all their heart.