False Doctrine of Original Sin 1 - What is it?

Jesse Morrell with www.OpenAirOutreach.com teaching Moral Government Theology

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[originaldanman]

You don't have to throw away the doctrine of original sin to believe in Christian perfection, (of which I believe in both). I do agree other things you've said, but firmly disagree on this. Try reading Wesley as well as Finney. What do you think it means in James where "he is drawn away of his own lust and enticed". It's not the devil, but his own sinful nature that entices him! What is the "lusts of the flesh", but an inward desire to sin? Of which we never have to obey!

[bibletheology]

Eve was tempted because of her own natural desires that God gave her. Jesus was tempted because of his natural desires which God gave him. Neither Jesus nor Eve had a sinful nature, yet they were tempted by their flesh. Our flesh has natural desires that we can gratify naturally or unnaturally, lawfully or unlawfully. The devil tempts us to gratify our flesh unnaturally and unlawfully. It is not sinful to have flesh, but it is sinful to live after the flesh or to live for it.

[originaldanman]

What's this?

Rom 5:14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

[bibletheology]

See LibraryofTheology .c om for my booklet "The Fall of Mankind" where I explain Romans 5 and Eph. 2:3. Those are the typical proof texts that I deal with all the time.

[alastairblakepeters]

@Erap1muzik way to offer a better alternative. 

[Erap1muzik]

your theology is messed up

[alastairblakepeters]

ps: your not a heretic.

[alastairblakepeters]

thank you for this.

[vendlerius]

You sir, are a heretic.

[utff313]

Catholic view on reproduction does not say it is sinful in a marriage blessed by God. Rather the Catholic Church teaches on concupiscence, which is a seed towards sexual immorality existent in all of us; but by God's grace can be re-ordered to bring purity and children in a grace filled marriage. This is a beautiful teaching because it seeks to make sacred the gift of sexuality and to order it to its rightful place and objective. What is wrong with that?

[polopowers2]

@polopowers1 HAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS. I have a flesh sword for Jesus though ;)

[polopowers1]

We are born flesh. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. I did not inherit Adam's sin but his flesh and blood bound to die Flesh and blood must sin so we must be born again. Adam could not inherit the kingdom of God being flesh even without his sin.Consummation of Adam and Eve we inherit not lust but a body flesh which must sin.We do not sin in Adam but inherit death of blood that must die.Death passed upon men; men consummate as sinners.Never sin and flesh still inherits nothing.

[wilby1414]

Romans 5:17

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Adan's sin caused him to be a fallen man seperated from God and doomed to die. His isn did not pass onto us BUT his condidtion did--that condition is death. We were born from a fallen man under the curse of death therefore we to are destined to die.

Through Christ by baptism into Jesus name we are made alive!

[allsaintsmonastery]

Interesting that you did not consider the Orthodox Christian understanding of the Ancestral Sin (Augustine's notion of Original Sin is considered heretical by the Ancient, or, Orthodox Church). I suggest that you read Dr John Romanides' ON THE ANCESTRAL SIN, in which the notion of Original Sin is refuted.