The Seeker-Sensitive Movement: Your Thoughts, Paul Washer...

Paul Washer shares his thoughts on the carnal, trivial methods being used in the seeker-sensitive church...

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[berean1129]

Thank you Paul Washer for preaching the true Gospel.

[ImSoPeeved]

I feel like he is the only one that understands the Gospel exceptionally well. I'm so glad I found out about him. God has used brother Paul to really deepen my understanding and maturity. Sadly, as I learn more about these issues, I'm seeing how carnal and fake the Christianity is around me. I'm praying that God will use in some way to change that.

[JohnMichaelMatta]

@ImSoPeeved ok

[ImSoPeeved]

@JohnMichaelMatta Well I certainly respect your view on it. And I understand. However, I don't fully accept it. I don't fully accept Armenianism either, though. If God chose indiscriminately no parent should ever even consider having a child. I could never take that risk of raising a kid to be damned from the beginning. God says he delays His coming so that none should perish. He so loved the "world". I do believe certain people are elected, but I can't except full Calvinism.

[smcnaspy1]

Paul Washer is depressing!

[JohnMichaelMatta]

@ImSoPeeved Honestly, why God chose us specifically is a mystery. It is certainly nothing within us, we didn't do anything.

As for robots, the issue is that apart from God's call, we are unable to do anything good. We are enslaved to sin until He frees us from it. We cannot choose to be saved because it is completely an act of God.

We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit, given faith by God, none of our salvation is of ourselves. If God didn't choose us then we would be lost.

[ImSoPeeved]

@JohnMichaelMatta I appreciate you helping. But then the question becomes why would God choose me. Certainly I have seen a supernaturally change in my life through Christ. But there are far more worldly people who are about as moral as me and nicer too. What about everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved? Granted the next verse says not all shall inherit heaven, but if God chose who should be saved, aren't we all robots with no free will?

[JohnMichaelMatta]

@ImSoPeeved It was hard for me to accept it to. When I realize that all of us are unworthy and we all deserve hell, it becomes easier to accept. The fact that God, by His grace, has saved any is amazing.

The question should not be, "How could God send anyone to hell?" It should be, "How can a perfect and holy God accept a sinner like me?"

I hope that helps, give Romans 9 a look for more on God's sovereignty in salvation. All of Romans is great for this subject.

[ImSoPeeved]

@JohnMichaelMatta Well, I admit the Bible does seem like it has predestination teachings, 2 Peter 2:20 for example, I believe. However, I have the hardest time believe God would "choose" who goes to heaven or hell. This is particularly hard to stomach if it means everyone I witness to may be incapable of accepting the Gospel message. Does that make sense? Please reply if you know much about this. It's bothering me immensely.

[JohnMichaelMatta]

@ImSoPeeved I think a consistent Calvinist must believe in predestination. It is in Scripture. Study the Scriptures, though.  Ask yourself how is God most glorified? If He does ALL or if He only does some. You should check out James white at Aomin(dot)org. He has some good resources on it.

Blessings.

[3BALL4]

@ImSoPeeved as far as I know.

[ImSoPeeved]

@3BALL4 Do all Calvinists believe in predestination, or was that just John Calvin himself? Pardon my ignorance, but I am curious.