Organizing for the poor Pt.2

Williams: Articulating demands and needs of working class people is what's required from the movement

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[99missingperson99]

I think he disenfranchised allot of people playing the race card. I myself am a firm beleiver in workers rights and I dont think that helps our cause. the fight should be for everyone a standard of living increase. wage is subjective so a standard of living for all workers in the us. Its counter productive to argue for one group or another and playing the race card just makes you cater to a smaller audience. Why do it?

[bbburton]

Your explanation for the increase in the cost of education is faulty. How in the world does natural inflation of the GDP growth have anything to do with education costs? Nothing. Inflation is the result of too many dollars chasing the same amount of goods. There is nothing natural about that. I'd just as soon see the Dept. of Ed eliminated, and let the states handle education. I'm sure this is something we will continue to disagree about.

[bbburton]

Whenever gov interference in the free market, through regulation, or banking, or the Federal Reserve, increases the cost of goods and services, that is a tax. It is a tax because the gov benefits from creating the money and using it first before its value is inflated. This inflated value is what consumers must pay for those same goods and services that, unrelated to market conditions, that were cheaper before gov interference. You need to adjust your concept of what a tax is and isn't.

[Champraves311]

Your definition of the word tax is what is causing confusion here. You define inflation has an indirect tax but just because there is a consumer loss does not mean its a tax since the Government is not generating revenue. The cost per child in the education system today is much much more today then it was 40 years ago (adjusted for natural inflation of GDP growth). Computers are cheaper now then they were 10 years ago, but I was referring to the pre-Reagan, when education was properly funded.

[bbburton]

There is no intrinsic value to money. The more gov borrows and prints, the less valuable money becomes. Deficit spending is simply deferring debt to the future. The only sane thing to do is to substantially reduce spending; you can't spend your way out of debt. The only way to reduce spending is to reduce taxes, and quit borrowing and printing money. What the gov doesn't have, it can't spend.

[bbburton]

Quite the opposite. Printing and borrowing money creates inflation, an indirect tax. Inflation is directly related to costs for everything, goods and services, including education. Education is not more expensive because of costs, computers are cheaper today then ever before.

[Champraves311]

Government borrowing and printing money comes from government spending too much money and not funding which is exactly what Reagan and Bush did, and why the two of them created large national deficits. You can't lower taxes and raise spending (especially when the spending goes to militarizing contras or starting two wars that kill hundreds of thousands of people.) An analysis of the Gini Coefficient Index of inequality in the last 50 years will confirm my remarks.

[Champraves311]

Printing and borrowing money has nothing to do with a nation taxing its people.  The problem with the education system is not its expense but its ineffectiveness (which is more of a cultural and racial problem) and partially due to its lack of funding. Education has become more expensive because the means to teach our children has become more costly (labs, computers ect..) When our public education system was successful in the 60s, the highest tax rate was twice as high as it is now.

[bbburton]

Corporations have power precisely because corporations buy politicians. Politicians create the environment that allows corps to avoid the hardships of the market place. If gov regulates the market place, and corps control gov, what do you think the outcome will look like? The harder you push gov to regulate corps, the more power corps have over the marketplace. This is destructive to free enterprise and ultimately to the consumers. The solution isn't more gov, it's less gov, less taxes, not more

[bbburton]

Fraud is crime, and that is the only regulation that has proven effective time and time again. Regulations that are intended to inhibit fraud have only made detecting it harder, and punishment weak. Look who writes the regulations; those who are to be regulated. Progressive taxes is an oxymoron. The more gov prints and borrows money, the greater the inflation. The poor and middle class are the ones who suffer. If taxing was the solution, then why is education more expensive than ever?