Paul Kurtz and Nathan Bupp discuss the economic recession

Paul Kurtz and Nathan Bupp discuss the 2008 economic recession.

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• paul kurtz
• nathan bupp
• recession
• downturn
• humanism
• libertarianism
• capitalism
• socialism

[TheTruthgeneral]

And that one needs a supernatural overseer to maintain order the natural world.As he puts it we need a balance so why not a balance when it comes to his metaphysics why not be consistent and say well we need both a natural and a supernatural aspect of reality or a material and a immaterial where we put faith in the operations of the natural only because of the oversight by the supernatural so as long as philosophy deals with the way one thinks it is evident that all my points are warranted

[TheTruthgeneral]

There really a multitude of points one can make using Dr.Kurtz's alleged attitude to life and the universe to show he is rather silly in advocating any type of government oversight or one can make the case that he really does think like a theist he does recognize a difference between having a overseer or regulator and having a evil dictator and also recognizing that a free market is contingent upon another realm the government in other words that the natural is contingent upon the supernatural

[TheTruthgeneral]

Finally dr kurtz argues that it is unreasonable to believe in the existence of God,why doesn't he disbelieve in the existence of the government.That is why does he not affirm that at least the notion that there are even people out there in the public sector interested in aiding and helping everybody else is an evasion of reality

[TheTruthgeneral]

As if Dr Kurtz did apply his metaphysics he would affirm that we need to kill the childlike fantasy that we need this big government to help us and save us instead we must save ourselves,in the same way he affirms we must face the harsh reality that we evolved by a rigorous process of struggle and competition so greatness in all areas of human activity specifically economic activity must follow the same mechanism if it produced us great humans it can also be the means by which society evolves

[TheTruthgeneral]

The conception of free denotes independence or self sufficiency which is what dr kurtz does not believe in according to him unlimited markets are dangerous yet he would affirm that the natural world is independent of any other realm that it is has within itself the capabilities of providing and maintaining order and rationality and some divine regulator is a unnecessary postulation but he can't seem to apply this metaphysics to all areas of inquiry noting he does not apply it to economics

[TheTruthgeneral]

so when Dr Kurtz affirms a mixed economy properly understood he is affirming a form of socialism he can only dispute the form or degree of socialism which is what he was doing he doesn't really believe in a free market i.e. that the economy is self sustaining and that there is no need for a overseer which is interesting seeing this is in conflict with what should be his way of thinking which is that things in nature do not need some other entity watching it over to maintain order

[TheTruthgeneral]

He affirms that he accepts the doctrine of the validity of the free market along with government regulation.First I challenge the underlying assumption that there are compatible.Socialism is itself government oversight and regulation there can never be the type of socialism which does not have a type of wealth generating mechanism which you will find in a free market.As the government is going to have to find money somewhere.The Free market has no government oversight that is why it is free.

[dieutombe]

He believes (like any sensible person) in a mixed economy.

[proffesor02]

I'm suprised that a secular ethicist believes in the necessity of a coercive force (government). Shouldn't he understand the non-aggression principle (that no man should aggress against another)? Shouldn't living by this axiom be the goal of every person claiming to be moral?

[RyRyVids]

Humanist perspective? this is an economic perspective. I agree that we need a socialized health care insurance system like Japan or Britan. And that would mean taking the free market out of human health.