2.03 Questions for Atheists

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I have some questions for atheists. Do you believe in anything immeasurable? Does that imply there's a "higher power"?

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[markberry555]

Wow, so many atheists have commented! Go Team TBS!

I think @bu1ckgnx summed up my beliefs best: I equate order with God, Good Orderly Direction. That's God to me.

As for the afterlife, I think the biggest problems atheists have is not with believing in some kind of transendence of consiousness, but in fact, with tangible concepts of the afterlife, like Heaven and Hell.

As for me, I don't believe in Heaven and Hell. But I do believe in a transition of consciousness. As to where, I'm not sure.

[markberry555]

Rob,

Sure this is a limit to how big or small things are now, and I appreciate Plank units. But in the time of Newton, gravity was a law. And Einstein blew that law aside. So it's very likely that plank units will be thrown aside at some point as well.

Either way, good points!

[boportsmouth]

I like your eyes.... may i ask what you studied in college? what was your major and minor if you had one?

[markberry555]

Hey, majored in Computer Science. I'm really analytical - but I've applied it to human dynamics. I am going to get a graduate certificate in coaching later this year.

[arcoles4]

I don't think you and I have delved into this topic since college. Some day, we need to sit down and talk about this. I have answered your three questions, but will keep them to myself until our next lunch.

[markberry555]

Wha... you don't want the whole world to know the interworkings of your mind? Come play in the street with me. It's fun! >>;-)

Anytime, Andrew. Give a holla' when you are in town!

[curemymind]

1. Yes "we" meaning i believe that there are things we cannot explain, but does that mean by defualt thats god?

2. Some take longer to discover, to this modern tech.. No trend, just discovery..

3. We don't know if it does end, no one knows.

4. Again, no trend, just discovery by obervation, It depends on whats acceptable but always challenged..

Your video takes too long :|... Nice try tho...

MY QUESTION

b/c we do not know does it make it god did it by defualt?

[DandAinTac]

To continue, there will be things that we cannot understand or measure, simply because it may be beyond the capacity of the human brain to do so. We are not infinitely intelligent--there will be limits to what we can know and understand. Again, this should not be an excuse to evoke a supernatural deity. And as far as a vague "higher power"--again--we should not believe big claims for which there is no evidence.

[DandAinTac]

Do I believe in anything immeasurable? Yes, that which is SUBJECTIVE. That is, abstract human ideas, such as justice, morality, love, loyalty, honor. These are important human ideas, but they do not exist objectively, and cannot be measured. But in no way, are subjective human ideas any sort of evidence of some sort of God. For something to exist objectively, it has to be measurable.

[DandAinTac]

"some sort of entity or existence"--I was once in this stage also. What is the basis of this belief? Much of what you are describing as your belief is extremely vague, and doesn't seem to have any foundation whatsoever for why you believe it. I went from being a Bible-based Christian--largely because my family and community, to thinking the way you do, to describing myself as an agnostic, to finally realizing I was an atheist. Show me the hard evidence, then we can talk about a "higher power".

[Rahn127]

In an attempt to answer your questions. #1 Do I believe in anything immeasurable or outside of scientific measurement ? Answer - If something exists, it must, by definition have attributes. Those attributes have a value, even if we can't presently discern that value. #2 Trend of discovery - Yes, we will always discover more details about the universe that we previously did not know. #3 Not knowing every detail about the universe is not the same as believing in something for NO REASON.

[Rahn127]

You believe in a higher structure, a higher order, an after life. Why ? Besides the teachings of your religion, what evidence suggests that any of the millions upon billions upon trillions of lifeforms that have EVER lived on Earth, exist in some other realm or world or higher structure to life ? Can you point to where all this afterlife exists ? Any tests you can perform to show that just ONE such being from every creature that has ever lived, exists ? And it's NOT your imagination at work.

[Rahn127]

Our ability to measure or perceive reality has no bearing on whether or not the universe exists. Your beliefs inform your actions and having a world view that is most consistent with reality is always best. Believing in things when there is no evidence to suggest that those things exist is not a path to truth. If you care whether your beliefs are true, then those beliefs should have evidence that supports it, otherwise you may as well believe that a pixie sneezed the world into existence.

[ShokujiAkai]

Scientists can't measure a Singularity right now, but as you pointed out they are constantly being able to measure smaller and smaller things. I'm pretty sure, considering the rate technology is advancing, IF we had enough time and there was a limited volume of things to measure; Everything could be measured. But, the universe is STILL expanding, and as far as we know there really is an infinite number of things out there. Hope that answers your question.

[TheMagnoxian]

at current, there are almost certainly things we cannot measure.

I have no idea if there will always be things that are immeasurable, there may or may not be

simple, completely logical answers that in no way suggest any higher power, I have just won