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[offfiman]

About air suspension. Take a look at Toyotas new Kinetic vs D3's air suspension. Much more wheel travel in Toyota, much more stability on road in Toyota.

In terms of comfort. I'm sure that Land Rover still wins.

[johnsteele23]

the ETC system with torque biasing diffs is fantastic as the ETC confuses the diffs into locking, so front and rear detroit true tracs or quaife ATB's with ETC is the way to go as their is no driver intervention needed and does not effect on road performance.

[offfiman]

And one thing more, TC does not change the differential, that is wrong. 50% of torque will go on both wheels, also with TC, when one wheel is on air. Difference is that, on the side where the TC acts, the brake converts the moving power to heat by using brakes. So 50% of the drive, will be totally useless, heat. With both, TC and locked diff, only 50% of torque goes to other wheel. No more.

You need active diff, like used in Mitsubishi Evo's to change the % ratio that diff distributes.

[offfiman]

Locking diff is better, because it sends the power constantly. Example on soft terrains or on steep and very bumpy hill, where you have to go with speed, the traction control does not have enough time to react. Fully locked diff keeps the power all the time on all four wheels.

I don't think that there is need to argue about that, which is better, TC or Locking diff. Everyone know that locked diff is better. TC is good because it is easy, and you no need to turn it off when turning.

[DanUK1984]

Locking Diffs are redundant now with 4 wheel ETC. The system in the RR detects an airborne wheel and applys the brakes, sending 100% of the drive to the wheel in contact with the ground. A locked diff does not stop the airborne wheel from turning, it sends 50% of the power to the wheel on the ground.

ETC and Air Suspension is an unmatched combination. No argument really.

[offfiman]

Yeps, :) but ESP does not add offroad perfomance, ESP = Electronic Stability Program, only thing it is meant to do is make handling better in highspeed driving and prevent accidents.

TC is Traction Control, it does the job.

Most other SUV's arent Ranges weight, that is reason why they often are better. Range would be clearly the best in its class if it were lighter, and if it were more reliable. Now its best things are the style, and comfrot, especially interior is fantastic. ;)

[offfiman]

Yes, but for that problem there is locking diffs available in other models. :)

And toyota being lighter, it already goes a bit better on soft with the same tire size.

[rangerover06sc]

the problem with toyota tc is that it dosen't adapt to all terrains,like land rovers terrian response does,so mud can be a problem,plus theres no electronic rear diff lock,or at least in north america.

[rangerover06sc]

tc and esp does help,a bit though,but it does better then most suvs its size and weight.

[offfiman]

Weight. Think if you are on soft sand. You have small tires. A light car vs heavy car. The heavy sinks, lighter doesnt. Why people put bigger tires when they go offroading especially on mud? One reason is to share the weight on larger area. Small pressure for terrain, keeps the car "floating". What heavier car that easier it sinks if the tire size is the same.

Updated terrain response doesnt help. Stability or traction control doesnt help. They cant change the physics laws.