Open Source Permaculture and Local Food Systems - Open Source Ecology

This is our strategy for creating open source permaculture local food systems including plants and open source technology for low cost high appropriate tech self-sufficiency.

See http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=506 for the transcript and more information.


We are looking for people who are interested in building the world's first replicable open source self-sufficient decentralized permaculture village - to transcend survival and evolve to freedom.

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[ericheithoff2006]

@koviack I very well could be wrong, and a couple simple experiments could prove me wrong or prove me right. I would be glad to see the results of any such experiments either way.

[ericheithoff2006]

@koviack Less stress=more food intake=higher size and weight gain. So by removing fish weekly, you allow more room in the tank, which lowers stress, and allows the fish to eat and grow to their full potential.

[ericheithoff2006]

@koviack I'm not saying they will all stay small, no. With a 90% water change and adequate nutrition they will all grow. But what you see happen in both smaller and larger lakes is that the lake can only support so many larger fish. So until the larger fish are removed from the system, the smaller fish predominate because of the lower amount of nutrition needed to sustain life. With the right nutrition the fish will grow, but will soon outgrow the tank, which will stress all the fish.

[koviack]

@ericheithoff2006 what if i overpopulate the container, do a 90% waterchange every day and make sure they have enough food to go around.. then what? they're all going to stay small? i doubt it

[ericheithoff2006]

@koviack I'm not saying they will just keep growing to whatever size the container is, I'm saying that with enough room the fish will grow to whatever size the full grown fish is genetically predisposed to be. But when the container is overpopulated with other fish, very few of the fish can grow to their full potential. So by removing the larger fish, generally once a week, the smaller fish will now have not only more room to grow, but also more nutrients to be used and express that growth.

[koviack]

@ericheithoff2006 if i put one fish in a swimming pool will it grow into a whale sized fish because it has so much room?

[ericheithoff2006]

@koviack and why do you say that?

[koviack]

@ericheithoff2006 that's a myth

[ericheithoff2006]

For the trenching/fish/island farming idea- make sure to harvest the fish once a week as soon as you see fish that are large enough to eat. This will allow the rest of the fish to grow to size, as fish will only grow as long as they have sufficient room for growth. Removing the larger fish on a weekly basis will yield more fish overall, since instead of having many different sizes of fish harvested all at once, you will get larger fish throughout the summer.

[GohanMH1]

I like producing for surplus, it makes quality of life go up. Population drop + producing surplus = life better for everybody. Decentralization of efficient production and knowledge will increase wealth. I do not like to talk in isms and using words as only or never.

Financial crisis was caused by unregulated shadow banking system and supply glut of capital due to divorce of wages and productivity.