NO BULL Ep. 2: Homosexuality & Christianity: Where's the Love? PART 2

Part 2 of 2. Has Christianity become synonomous with Gay Bashing? What has been the Church's approach when it comes to this issue? Are we really following the ways of Jesus? What can the church do? KAC Media presents NO BULL episode 2, where we take you straight into the conflict at the LA Gay Pride Parade 2010. We'll hear directly from traditional pastors as well as gay pastors on this controversial issue.

Interviews From:
- Andrew Marin (Founder, The Marin Foundation)
- Sarah Allis Yang (Speaker & Author, JCBeloved Ministries)
- Pastor Ken Fong (Evergreen Baptist Church)
- Pastor Alex Choi (Sovereign Grace L.A.)
- Pastor Stephen Kim (Kardia United Methodist Church)
- Pastor Dan Hooper (Hollywood Lutheran Church)
- Reverend Neil Thomas (Metropolitan Community Church)

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[TheFourage]

Okay, I understand the intent, but here's what I find problematic about this video: You show an interview with a protester, insinuating that he is "self-righteous" and "judgmental", yet it's not actually very different from what the conservative pastors are saying in their interviews.

[NOBULLishable]

Fourage, most of the Pastors interviewed for this piece believe that homosexuality is a sin, and they will never negotiate that. The pastors aren't criticizing the protestor for calling out sin for what it is, but its the WAY in which he does it. Again, the intent of this piece is about our APPROACH towards the gay community. I think by now the homosexuals get the message: "homosexuality is sin." We've succeeded in getting that message across, but now what? What is the next step?

[TheFourage]

They hide behind heavily criticizing the loud protesters, when in fact they are just as rigid about homosexuality being a sin. Are they even willing to negotiate that part of their doctrine? Because that's what should be discussed, not whether or not we should "love" the gay community, because that is a GIVEN. Dialogue will happen once both sides can admit to the fact that they might be dead wrong.

[NOBULLishable]

@TheFourage

You said "Dialogue will happen once both sides can admit to the fact that they might be dead wrong." Isn't that exactly what Pastor Alex is referring to in the video when he gives the example of Jesus coming down and speaking to both sides? You can watch it again near the end to refresh your memory

[NOBULLishable]

Hey Fourage, I understand your concerns and you're right, the Korean Christian community is way behind in terms of discussing this issue, but that is not the intent of this episode. Our aim is not to discuss homosexuality specifically within the context of the Korean Christian community, this is an issue that plagues all Christian communities. Some communities are more proactive than others, but its still an issue that effects Christian communities across the board.

[NOBULLishable]

Please keep in mind that we did not limit this dialogue to only homosexuals or Christians. The two pastors we interviewed: Dan Hooper & Neil Thomas are openly gay pastors. We also have Sarah Yang, who converted from homosexuality to heterosexuality. So no, we are not being mutually exclusive to one side or another. Keep in mind we are a Korean American Christian company but we did not want to limit this discussion to only Korean Christians.

[Ms90sforever]

The asian guys cute

[jerico641]

Or we could just toss religion and the supernatural out altogether; then we can love each other without worrying at all...

[Sheep0989]

We can sit here and try and change people all we want, but 99.9% of the time its not going to happen, its been like this since the beginning of time. We as Christians know that homosexuality is wrong, and if your a homosexual and you know about jesus and his teachings. Then your only pleasuring yourself. Everyone is sinning all the time, protesters are preaching on the street corner, this is a sin. Let people know about Jesus and his teachings, and go on with your life. thats why we have choice

[Kevchung11]

@TheFourage I think that we must go to the definition of what "marriage" is. Granted that civil unions of same sexes are possible in most western societies(such as Canada), the church has specifically defined 'marriage' as between a man and a woman in most denominations. It does not mean that we hate them. Sometimes, love of another does not mean that we bend to their standards

[TheFourage]

@Kevchung11 I'm not separating "feelings" from "actions". I do not believe being gay is a sin, I believe that they should not be discriminated against and allowed to marry. You can talk about the "same rules applying to heterosexuals" but you do not allow gays to marry and tell them they cannot have sex outside of marriage. Haha... and you wonder why gays hate the church.

[Kevchung11]

@TheFourage I am talking about the actions of homosexual sex, not homosexual feelings per se. Granted that we do not know much about the exact origins of these feelings, it is still called upon all of us as Christians, regardless of orientation or attractions, to practise the chaste life. This applies even in the case of heterosexual sex, if it is outside of marriage, because simply, love does not make things right, if it deviates from standards we are called to follo

[TheFourage]

@Kevchung11 What are you talking about? You're making arguments that operate with the assumption that being gay is a sin. Not everybody adheres to that belief, even Bible believing Christians.

Thank God that there is a noticeable trend within the Christian community that is moving toward reconciliation and acceptance of the gay community.

[Kevchung11]

@TheFourage I think the problem is largely a deeply ingrained one, because the culture wars fought in North America and other westernized or westernizing societies have focused a lot on homosexuality without also at the same time acknowledging other inherent social problems such as the immense liberalization of media which makes sexual promiscuity a "good" that is shown onTV

[Kevchung11]

@TheFourage There are noticeable numbers of Christians and Catholics suffering from same-sex attractions, and while they know consciously the Bible's stand against the LIFESTYLE, some are continuing to lead double lives without seeking God’s will out. Any sin is sin, and there are scars and consequences to be borne for committing them because it is in the nature of God that asmuch as He wants all to be saved and know Him, He cannot let knowing offenders away without being responsible.