Muslims, Modalism, the Trinity and Spurious Ascription

This video was inspired by a clip I saw of Ahmed Hamed criticizing the Trinity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoNOd3PCexI

Mr. Hamed misrepresents the Trinity (confusing it with Modalism, AKA Sabellianism), and gives what obviously seems to be a fictional account about some "Father" (a Catholic priest?) showing him where in the Catechism it is allegedly stated that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not three Persons, but rather one Person. It is demonstrated that Mr. Hamed was merely copying a claim made by Ahmed Deedat more than twenty years earlier.

SOURCES:

Wikipedia's entry on Modalism (AKA Sabellianism):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabellianism

The 1637 edition of the Book of Common Prayer can be found here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Lc8UAAAAQAAJ&pg=11

The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church can be found here:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm

Towards the end I quote Michael Cook:

"Anyone who finds implausible the idea that spurious ascription was rife among the old Muslim scholars may reflect on the dimensions of spurious originality among modern ones."
[Michael Cook, "Early Muslim Dogma: A Source Critical Study," (Cambridge, 1981) p. 202]

Category:

Education

Tags:

• trinity
• Islam
• modalism
• sabellianism
• Ahmed Hamed
• Ahmed Deedat
• Roman Catholic Church
• Catechism
• Anglican Church
• Athanasian Creed
• Michael Cook
• Early Muslim Dogma

[anklebreaka03]

I thot that this was a good representation of the trinity? I'm confused, and many christians probly must be confused as well cuz many of the Christians i kno hav this belief tht the trinity composes of the father-son-holy spirit, 3 distinct characters but 1 God, and that is what ahmed deedat was originally explaining, no? If this isnt a proper rep. of the trinity then what is it really, and why do so many ppl believe so many different answers regarding such a focal point of the religion.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

@anklebreaka03 It is correct to say the Trinity consists of one God being made up of three Persons (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). Where Deedat went off was with the claim that the three Persons are really one and the same Person. It is a mistake many lay Christians make as well. But they are affirming Modalism, which is contrary to the Trinity. The confusion stems from the fact that the Bible is hard to understand without the guidance of the Church.

[telebusu]

Mr AbuKhamr AlMaseeHee, you need to study english.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

TELEBUSU, could you elaborate? Maybe you are right, but my higher education was carried out entirely in an English speaking country. Wasn't it clear from this video I speak English quite well? With an American accent even! =)

All kidding aside, perhaps you can explain what your precise objection is?

[SiriusLordoflisan7]

ABu, Is Modalism is a NON-Trinity concept?

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

Modalism is the belief that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all the same Person. In other words, it holds that God is really comprised of only one Person. So it is in contrast with the classical doctrine of the Trinity, which holds that God comprises three distinct Persons.

Sadly, however, many Protestants who *think* they are defending the Trinity, often present a Modalist description of God. So there is much confusion, but Modalism should be considered contrary to the Trinity.

[Abdirahmanist]

This guy know his stuff

[Orthodoxgurl]

Muslims are too simple minded to comprehend the concept of the trinity.

[gambleor]

Wow, it's amazing how the account is not only word for word the same, but even the gestures used are precisely mirrored from one individual to another...

[perez85tkd]

muhammad suck

[TheBereanSearch]

I came to a lot of the same conclusions that you did in one of my videos regarding Deedat and Hamed on this issue.

My video is at: watch?v=c_vQfzsRHfs

...your video has a lot better production value than mine though ;)

[suavelyphe]

yeah

[SiriusLordoflisan7]

Your right it is lots of confusion! Christians try to defend Christianity and they don't know what their talking about themselves.