Well, Joey, I'm never wrong.
But you can't always be right.
Well, if it's your job to be right, then you're never wrong.
But what if you are wrong?
Okay, let's say that you're defending chocolate and I'm defending vanilla.
Now, if I were to say to you, "Vanilla's the best flavor ice cream," you'd say?
No, chocolate is.
But you can't win that argument.
So, I'll ask you- So you think chocolate is the end-all and be-all of ice cream, do you?
It's the best ice cream; I wouldn't order any other.
Oh. So it's all chocolate for you, is it?
Yes, chocolate is all I need.
Well, I need more than chocolate.
And for that matter, I need more than vanilla.
I believe that we need freedom and choice when it comes to our ice cream, and that, Joey Naylor, that is the definition of liberty.
But that's not what we're talking about.
Ah, but that's what I'm talking about.
But... you didn't prove that vanilla's the best.
I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong- and if you're wrong, I'm right.
But you still didn't convince me.
'Cause I'm not after you.
I'm after them.
@WarriorofCathar Absolutely correct. The main difference between the fallacies in this movie and the fallacies often found in debate is that this time, the speaker (Nick) is completely aware of his fallacy. In fact, he sculpts it ahead of time to have the greatest impact possible.
trdl23 3 weeks ago 3
On the one hand, this is somewhat of a red herring fallacy. Introducing another issue of equal importance to distract your audience into accepting a completely different argument.
On the other hand, this is actually an important lesson. There is no way to win an argument about preferences. You must therefore never argue on the basis of preferences and preferably you will argue your point as a moral and ethical debate with the morals and ethics backing your side of the argument.
WarriorofCathar 5 months ago 3