The Hartley Show Episode 36 part 01

I'll only have time to put up part 1 tonight cause we have a guest staying in the office. A new widescreen attempt has been made, so we will be playing with formats again. It may take us awhile to get it right. If all is good, more info will be added as well as part 2 by the end of the week. Cheers!

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[EagleMan314]

Yeah, I found that a bit in SI (that the scene was poorly depicted), but even more so in Final Crisis.

[caliqou]

You should be on Space Channel

[HartleyHolmberg]

Here's the deal:

I didn't miss it.

There isn't the slightest hint of Jan flying or her fellow heroes trying to help her get airborne or even get away.

"it seemed that the Wasp herself was trying to get away" is the only indication of her trying to get away.

And Thor's tornado only appears to be dissipating her.

Its all well and good that a later description of it adds detail, but if a scene is depicted so poorly that it needed a bio entry for it to make sense the scene failed its audience.

[EagleMan314]

Yeah, In the back of Requiem it has an updated "official handbook" entry for Wasp.

And while it wasn't depicted that well, that is how it went in the comic. As I wrote above, it's in the recap and in the narration of SI #8. But I can see how you might miss that.

[HartleyHolmberg]

But thats not what we saw.

Is that the Marvel Universe entry?

In Secret Invasion shes just shown as swept away by Thors Tornado.

Its kinda funny though cause I would have much preferred that ending!

Hah!

[EagleMan314]

"Determined to prevent this, she fought her transformation and used all her remaining strength to fly upward, with a propulsive boost from some of her comrades, until she disintegrated in the upper atmosphere without harming anyone else."

[EagleMan314]

I was under the impression that she was dying anyway. In the recap in SI #8 it states "the Wasp becomes a chemical bomb" and on page 3 the narration says "It seemed the Wasp herself was trying to get away. In her dying breath she was trying to save lives..."

Finally, from the updated bio in Requiem:

"Under [the serum's] influence, Wasp grew uncontrollably larger as her body radiated a painful and strangely corrosive energy that threatened to destroy all her fellow heroes along with her.

[HartleyHolmberg]

You mean to say "I don't think Thor Killed Jan with his whirlwind" as we don't know the details now do we?

Thor could have sent her to another dimension as he often does with Mjolnir, but he didn't.

The problem with the scene in question was the lack of explanation for what was going on.

[EagleMan314]

I think that it was great in Requiem that they address Hank hitting Jan and state that it was only once. Everyone always makes it seem like he did it all the time, but he didn't.

The best part about New Nation is that they actually aren't the first few pages of the #1s like they normally do, they are actually previews (at least, so far)

[EagleMan314]

Thor didn't kill Jan with his whirlwind. Basically, she was being atomized or something by whatever the Skrulls did to her, and Thor just swept her away so she wouldn't harm the others in the process.

I think that the correct chronological order (for those that care) is, New Avengers - SI Epilogue, then Initiative #20 (came out the next week), then Secret Invasion: Requiem.