Christian nation myth

A clip from BBC documentary "Brief history of disbelief". Jonathan Miller reveals what the first presidents of USA thought about religion.

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[tienen23]

wow I had no idea the founding father's KICKED SO MUCH ASS

[johnoliverclark]

I challenge everyone to read all those quotes in their context. They are being taken out of context in this video to mean something different than the context shows. Look it up!

[pablocoon]

The notion (lie) that Washington was not a devout Anglican is absurd. "To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our our HIGHEST GLORY to add the the more distinguished character of a Christian." -George Washington. So the people who claim our first President (selected by all the other founders to be the first President) was a great man are also saying he was a liar who publicly said words he did not mean. Hog wash. Our country in rooted in Christian moral values. Get over it.

[satanidomini]

@johnoliverclark It's true that the Adams quote is two separate quotes made years apart & made to seem like one very different meaning quote & should not have been included here. However, the assertion by Miller that these Presidents were not "devout Christians" & wanted the Church & State to be kept separate is correct, regardless of the context of their quotes. There are dozens of Jefferson quotes concerning religion that no modern day President would dare agree with.

[Norseman870]

The early Christian didn't want church/state together, nor Mennonites. Young men: wage PEACE! Learn The Truth: "Love your enemies" -Jesus. + Verses: Matthew 5:39, Luke 22:49-51, Colossians 3:15, Rom.12:20. The church in its earliest days was unanimously pacifist (choosing non-violent resistance/God's will instead of military participation). Jesus taught a "third way," as used by Dr. King or Gandhi successful in situations unbeatable by violence. Check out "Shane Claiborne + Pacifism" on Ytube.

[DandAinTac]

@Kimjira1 I guess it's how you translate or interpret. Most Christians I've spoken to treat it as a general prohibition against lying.

[romansten9]

@timpipe Your "nonsense" claim is a claim from ignorance. Someone like you should be outraged at the media and public school system, who have lied to you (and others) for DECADES! Do you have the humility to admit this? And read OLD books and find the truth? You are just repeating claims from the past 50 years. If you read old books and OFFICIAL documents for yourself you will see this. Why read someone else's opinion? Why not read from ALL OF THE FOUNDERS own words? Not just a small few.

[romansten9]

@timpipe Yes, I agree that people quote Jefferson because he was on of the LEAST religious of the founders. Yet, much more religious than most in office today.

But the point is not about Jefferson. Its interesting that someone with your view can only quote a SMALL handful (especially 3 or 4 founders) & can't quote from the 150+ other founders? You're fighting a losing battle. The evidence is not on your side, not even close. Read the Congressional record, court records, etc, etc,etc.

[Kimjira1]

@romansten9 Actually, a president has the right to not only swear on something other than the bible but they can refuse to swear at all. They "affirm" instead. It is considered equally valid, the difference is that this does not violate certain religious restrictions on swearing as well as allowing for those who are non-religious/atheist to take the oath without compromising their beliefs. I don't know how well I explained that... I haven't slept in a few days and just got done with a Calc exam.

[Kimjira1]

@ToxicOdiousOne Um we are definitely not socialist. The economic crises of the last few years are easily attributed to scarcely regulated capitalism. I am by no means anti-capitalist but you have to at least acknowledge that it happened because of a lack of regulation. Respecting a person's right to live, speak and worship freely, and fair trials is actually quite moral. If everybody is a dishonest criminal that means you too right?

[Kimjira1]

@DandAinTac Just to quickly point out... #9 is sometimes more accurately translated as "thou shall not bear false witness" which implies that it is a prohibition against perjury. There is even one story in the bible that illustrates this, but it has been years since i read that section I am having trouble remembering it. Something about two authority figures (priests or something) try to blackmail a young virgin into sleeping with them by testifying that she killed someone important... o well.

[aThinkingChristian]

@Kimjira1 Also, since you didn't refute what I originally said, it's nice to see that you agree that the documentary lacked real proof of its claims. Everyone is entitled to their own OPINION (which is what was expressed in this documentary), but no one is entitled his own FACTS.