27c3 - Desktop on the Linux... (and BSD, of course) - Wolfgang Draxinger (+ Lennart Poettering)

Epic talk at 27c3, Berlin, Germany.
Wolfgang 'datenwolf' Draxinger holds a talk about
the popular linux desktop 'Gnome'.
But a lot of the information that he tells the audience is wrong.
Lennart Poettering is a well-known linux developer and sits in the audience.
He corrects and argues with Draxinger nearly the whole talk.
http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/4017.en.html
IRC-Log (sadly without timestamp): Not avaliable atm.

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• 27c3
• ccc
• berlin
• germany
• desktop
• on
• the
• linux
• bsd
• wolfgang
• draxinger
• datenwolf
• lennard
• poettering
• pulseaudio
• dbus

[MrMezcalero]

Mein Name ist übrigens "Lennnart", nicht "Lennard".

[oger12]

@MrMezcalero Habe es korrigiert.

[frother]

@PurplesHead

Well he could reasonably expect that if he's being given an hour to speak he'll be allowed to speak. It's really a shame that he didn't get to elaborate on being locked into gdm/dbus/policykit/etc because I think he had a good point. It's concerning when software you like moves in a dangerous direction, and "it's free, get over it" is an outrageous objection. Even if you want to, you can't use an old working version, like the disaster that is the GDM regressions.

[zonque]

Oh well. The guy considers himself in the position of blaming other people's work for effects he doesn't have a clue about, while at the same time, he seems entirely disconnected from the community.

Dude, all these layers you rant so much about have been added for a reason, to solve actual problems. Not because everyone but you is stupid and loves bloat.

But as Lennart said already, don't use them if you don't want to, every distribution gives you the freedom to do so.

[steelwizard]

that guy reminds me of fenriz of darkthrone

[kki]

@man187ac you forgot 40:30 "just say yes", "no, no" LOL

[hexarith]

@genkiadrian revoke wurde von BSD eingeführt, damit ein getty sicherstellen kann, dass kein Trojanisches Pferd die Benutzereingaben abfängt. Ein Prozess dem FDs revoked wurden muss diese neu öffnen. ConsoleKit ist dagegen für Fast User Switching gedacht; dummerweise bedeutet das, dass wenn ConsoleKit mit revoke den Prozesses ihre FDs auf Geräte nimmt eine Menge kaputt gehen wird. Was man wirklich bräuchte wären virtualisierte Konsolen, console_groups, ähnlich den anderen Namespaces des Kernels.

[hexarith]

@zonque The problem there is, that apparently ConsoleKit is broken by design. There's little you can fix, given the current design. Placing the tasks of ConsoleKit in systemd may tackle the data persistency problem, at the expense of bloating your init system.

[itsmeafreak]

@MrMezcalero hey (: war damals in schweden (studium) & hab den live stream gesehen... und tränen gelacht :D - thx - grüße aus Ö

[zonque]

datenwolf, to give you a small example of how you could have helped easily: as you painfully found out what ConsoleKit is and how it works (it sucks that you had to, no questions) , did you ever consider documenting it yourself and sending the developers a patch for improvement so the next person won't have the same problem?

I think you really have to re-adjust your understanding about what a community is.