Copula is My Metaphor

Worldview Everlasting AskdaPastor2.0 takes on the question of our Lord's Words of Institution of the Holy Supper, especially in like of the modern argument that Jesus is gust speaking in metaphors. The classic answer of Christian orthodoxy ain't a maverick as it rocks out with a whole lot of Gospel on the highway to the danger zone.

To Gun fo' play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzoM0Jjwv9k

Top Gun fo' show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o

Top Gun fo' realz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dB_qCLVCw&feature=related

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Lord's Supper
• Copula
• Reformed
• Metaphor
• Communion
• Sacrament
• Top Gun
• Danger Zone

[rovingdesertfox]

Gnostics were knowers of the spiritual landscape based on spiritual experience; this is why the church killed them all. Bad competition.. believers of course are what we have today. Believers have faith but by definition do not know. This is what Ch. people forget.

Saying that you know because of the bible as a source cannot be taken seriously.

Ch. today is a belief system based on faith. As far as the bread and wine being THE body and blood of Christ, more dogma.

[Revfiskj]

@rovingdesertfox Hmmm...some fine assertions. A bit dizzying, but certainly claiming to impart wisdom. Have fun with it!

[rovingdesertfox]

@Revfiskj I'll have fun with it while you earn your living from the dogma based belief system, even though your bible strictly forbids earning money from teaching the concepts contained therein. I'm also not surprised you did not take on any of my "assertions" because you know they are true.

[Revfiskj]

@rovingdesertfox Assert away my friend, for you can prove far less than I. 1 Cor. 9:14 But fair warning, this is my page, not yours. A fool is thought wise if he holds his tongue. Yet a wise man becomes a fool the moment he answers a fool according to his folly.  My bad, fo' sho'.

[RomGabe]

"Gnostics were knowers of the spiritual landscape based on ..." WOW what an ignorant comment.

I highly recommend you read "The Heresy of Orthodoxy - how contemporary culture's fascination with diversity has reshaped our understanding of early christianity" by Michael J. Krueger and Andreas J. Konstenberger and get your history of Early Christianity challenged.

Thinking is good, saying hodge-podge is not, imho!

[Revfiskj]

@saintoccasionally I'm afraid you're quite wrong. The Lutheran teaching is that the bread and wine of the Supper *is* the body and blood of Christ. All other words are only for the purpose of denying false accusations (such as that we teach "transubstantiation," against which "in, with and under" is directed. "Hoc Est Corpus," is the heart and soul of it. Is is is.

[saintoccasionally]

@Revfiskj I don't mean that you personally talk out of both sides. I refer to Lutheran theology.

[saintoccasionally]

@Revfiskj "Is" and "accompanies" mean two different things. Most kids could get that right too. The Lutheran teaching is not "is". It only claims to be. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

[Revfiskj]

@saintoccasionally huh? umm...no.  Is actually means is. Most kids can get that grammatical point. Meanwhile, it was this theology which led Luther *out* of Rome. However, it does lead me to rejoice that I believe what the early Church (not Rome) also believed. It is good to believe what the Christians taught be the first apostles believed.

[saintoccasionally]

Your arguments should lead you to The Church of Rome. Jesus didn't "This bread accompanies my body (in with and under)". He said "This is...". So it is either a metaphor and the Reformed are right or it is completely literal and you should be a Roman Catholic.