@moniquemonicat Where in the Bible does it says, God wants u to suffer n be killed for Christ in order to make heaven? Jesus said, it is finished. Jesus wants u to live for him now. During the tribulation u will have to die for him. U can't work to go to heaven, remember? U can't stand before God n say, i deserve to go to heaven, because i suffered for u Lord. There's nothing u can do like that to deserve to go. Acts 2:38 is God's plan, Obedience. Holy life!
@hector771000 Don't be blind. U have to understand prophecy from Daniel too. Daniel prayed for HIS PEOPLE, not the church. Wake up! Israel is not the church. Noah was in the ark above God's wrath. Lot was above God's wrath. Why would God take Noah out of the world? U wouldn't be here if he did. Come on think! There's no time to guest on this subject. DON"T MISS THE RAPTURE. Listen. Acts 2:38.
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Behold: we will ALL be changed, at the last trumpet. The last trumpet does not occur until just before God's wrath! There is no pre-tribulation 'rapture.'
IF GOD WILL SUFFER HIS OWN SON JESUS CHRIST TO SUFFER AND DIE ON THE CROSS for the kingdom of God, He will certainly suffer those who are called to be lights in the midst of darkness to burn bright in the face of persecution and DEATH.
the FOURTH and final kingdom of MAN on earth. You must read it open mindedly and not with a grudge because you believe what you believe? Read to understand what is truth. there is no scriptural, factual evidence about a church being saved before tribulation, however it is true they will be saved from the WRATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD!
you see, he will have vistory over the saints in the beginning and THEN will God's wrath come on him. this is clearly matching up with the 5th seal martyred believers the 6th seal is the DAY OF THE LORD (terrible in some places) dark sun and moon (joel3) then His wrath is poured out this will take some time which you can see are the trumpets and vials of God's WRATH not tribulation which is but for a moment
21As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them, 22until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom
Israel was still in Egypt when the Wrath of God brought plagues and death to the egyptian children. It wasn't until after those things took affect that God brought israel to the wilderness. the same happend with Noah, he had to build the ark and then was still in the ark safe and dry while the wrath of God was poured out in the flood on evil doers. 150 days later Noah came out on dry land with his family. "It will be like the days of Noah"
TRIBULATION and WRATH are two different things. Tribulation is not from God's doing, it is from the earth and the seals, however the Wrath of God is directly on the NON believers and the ones who take the mark, which is after the beheaded numbers. Who is the great number out of the tribulation mentioned in Rev 7? there is no identity of any pre trib believer. Also daniel 9 cannot be understood unless you read Daniel 12
@moniquemonicat Where in the Bible does it says, God wants u to suffer n be killed for Christ in order to make heaven? Jesus said, it is finished. Jesus wants u to live for him now. During the tribulation u will have to die for him. U can't work to go to heaven, remember? U can't stand before God n say, i deserve to go to heaven, because i suffered for u Lord. There's nothing u can do like that to deserve to go. Acts 2:38 is God's plan, Obedience. Holy life!
rossdaboss1959 1 month ago
@hector771000 Don't be blind. U have to understand prophecy from Daniel too. Daniel prayed for HIS PEOPLE, not the church. Wake up! Israel is not the church. Noah was in the ark above God's wrath. Lot was above God's wrath. Why would God take Noah out of the world? U wouldn't be here if he did. Come on think! There's no time to guest on this subject. DON"T MISS THE RAPTURE. Listen. Acts 2:38.
rossdaboss1959 7 months ago
The rapture is pre-wrath not pre-tribulation.
thechessstick 11 months ago
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Behold: we will ALL be changed, at the last trumpet. The last trumpet does not occur until just before God's wrath! There is no pre-tribulation 'rapture.'
ieatstuffoffthefloor 1 year ago
IF GOD WILL SUFFER HIS OWN SON JESUS CHRIST TO SUFFER AND DIE ON THE CROSS for the kingdom of God, He will certainly suffer those who are called to be lights in the midst of darkness to burn bright in the face of persecution and DEATH.
moniquemonicat 2 years ago
Read Daniel 7: 19-28
the FOURTH and final kingdom of MAN on earth. You must read it open mindedly and not with a grudge because you believe what you believe? Read to understand what is truth. there is no scriptural, factual evidence about a church being saved before tribulation, however it is true they will be saved from the WRATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD!
hector771000 2 years ago
you see, he will have vistory over the saints in the beginning and THEN will God's wrath come on him. this is clearly matching up with the 5th seal martyred believers the 6th seal is the DAY OF THE LORD (terrible in some places) dark sun and moon (joel3) then His wrath is poured out this will take some time which you can see are the trumpets and vials of God's WRATH not tribulation which is but for a moment
hector771000 2 years ago
21As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them, 22until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom
hector771000 2 years ago
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Israel was still in Egypt when the Wrath of God brought plagues and death to the egyptian children. It wasn't until after those things took affect that God brought israel to the wilderness. the same happend with Noah, he had to build the ark and then was still in the ark safe and dry while the wrath of God was poured out in the flood on evil doers. 150 days later Noah came out on dry land with his family. "It will be like the days of Noah"
hector771000 2 years ago
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TRIBULATION and WRATH are two different things. Tribulation is not from God's doing, it is from the earth and the seals, however the Wrath of God is directly on the NON believers and the ones who take the mark, which is after the beheaded numbers. Who is the great number out of the tribulation mentioned in Rev 7? there is no identity of any pre trib believer. Also daniel 9 cannot be understood unless you read Daniel 12
hector771000 2 years ago