I heard a fantastic pianist play this in recital this afternoon - his name is John Paul Ekins. Listen to him if you get the chance. His sonority and warmth are beautiful.
I've admired Hamelin's Skryabin and Albéniz. I found this performance very beautifully phrased but surprisingly shallow-toned, and stressed at fortissimo.
@glic7236, And if you're going to talk about pure mechanics, I can use your own comment for the case of Barere. He plays more evenly and lightly, and on top of that he has extreme control of his tone. From a technical standpoint, that woul] make him better. But even so, there are others besides Hamelin and Barere who have proven themselves very talented. Kemal Gekic, Evgeny Kissin and even my own teacher are just a few examples. All of which are in a league of their own.
@glic7236, That's just confirmation bias, and you know it. I've already said on my part that we can still only dream what Liszt himself sounded like, but we DO have a "better" idea based on his student's recordings. Their style of playing (from a purely mechanical perspective) is very consistent with reports of the way Liszt played throughout his life. Please exercise more attempts at refuting your own position before attempting to confirm it. There's plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise.
We still don't really know exactly what Liszt sounded like. Pupil does not equal teacher. I do not hero worship Hamelin. I discussed with someone who knew someone else who watched Hamelin play Godowsky's Passacaglia in person, and Hamelin had many sloppy passages with wrong notes. It's just my opinion that he has the least amount of strain when playing. From a purely mechanical perspective, he's the best I've heard on a regular basis.
@glic7236, That being said, I love both Hamelin and Barere for the simple fact that they both have their own unique qualities that belong to them alone. It's as Mr. Rubinstein used to say, that in any art there cannot be a "greatest", they can only be different. Even in the realm of technicians.
@glic7236, You're way in over your head. Actually we do have some comprehension of what Liszt's style was like. Don't try to move the goal posts. Listen to any recording by any of the students of Liszt. You'll see a common style and rhetoric between all of them, although we can still only dream the true beauty of Liszt's own playing. And unlike you I am also an objective skeptic, I don't hero-worship Hamelin or Barere, but I follow facts and evidence, and not viseral reactions of envy.
Actually, we don't even know what Liszt's style was like since we have no recordings of his playings. I suppose arguing these things can be fun, but it's entirely subjective. I still feel that Hamelin is the greatest technician ever, but you're entitled to your opinion.
@glic7236, There is also the fact that Barere's playing is far more even, and that his touch comes much closer to the style of Liszt than anyone else today. One need only listen to the recordings of someone like Emil Von Sauer to see that connection.
I heard a fantastic pianist play this in recital this afternoon - his name is John Paul Ekins. Listen to him if you get the chance. His sonority and warmth are beautiful.
MIKE1238673 1 month ago
Spiral!
TheAngelicDawn 1 month ago
I've admired Hamelin's Skryabin and Albéniz. I found this performance very beautifully phrased but surprisingly shallow-toned, and stressed at fortissimo.
AulicExclusiva 2 months ago
@glic7236, And if you're going to talk about pure mechanics, I can use your own comment for the case of Barere. He plays more evenly and lightly, and on top of that he has extreme control of his tone. From a technical standpoint, that woul] make him better. But even so, there are others besides Hamelin and Barere who have proven themselves very talented. Kemal Gekic, Evgeny Kissin and even my own teacher are just a few examples. All of which are in a league of their own.
advisorC101 6 months ago
@glic7236, That's just confirmation bias, and you know it. I've already said on my part that we can still only dream what Liszt himself sounded like, but we DO have a "better" idea based on his student's recordings. Their style of playing (from a purely mechanical perspective) is very consistent with reports of the way Liszt played throughout his life. Please exercise more attempts at refuting your own position before attempting to confirm it. There's plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise.
advisorC101 6 months ago
@advisorC101
We still don't really know exactly what Liszt sounded like. Pupil does not equal teacher. I do not hero worship Hamelin. I discussed with someone who knew someone else who watched Hamelin play Godowsky's Passacaglia in person, and Hamelin had many sloppy passages with wrong notes. It's just my opinion that he has the least amount of strain when playing. From a purely mechanical perspective, he's the best I've heard on a regular basis.
glic7236 6 months ago
@glic7236, That being said, I love both Hamelin and Barere for the simple fact that they both have their own unique qualities that belong to them alone. It's as Mr. Rubinstein used to say, that in any art there cannot be a "greatest", they can only be different. Even in the realm of technicians.
advisorC101 6 months ago
@glic7236, You're way in over your head. Actually we do have some comprehension of what Liszt's style was like. Don't try to move the goal posts. Listen to any recording by any of the students of Liszt. You'll see a common style and rhetoric between all of them, although we can still only dream the true beauty of Liszt's own playing. And unlike you I am also an objective skeptic, I don't hero-worship Hamelin or Barere, but I follow facts and evidence, and not viseral reactions of envy.
advisorC101 6 months ago
@advisorC101
Actually, we don't even know what Liszt's style was like since we have no recordings of his playings. I suppose arguing these things can be fun, but it's entirely subjective. I still feel that Hamelin is the greatest technician ever, but you're entitled to your opinion.
glic7236 6 months ago
@glic7236, There is also the fact that Barere's playing is far more even, and that his touch comes much closer to the style of Liszt than anyone else today. One need only listen to the recordings of someone like Emil Von Sauer to see that connection.
advisorC101 6 months ago