Thoughts on John Zerzan p.2

Some more reflections

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• zerzan
• anarchism

[kervennic]

Another approach is to consider social organisation, wether capitalism or syndialism or whatever, as the root of the problem and find solutions based on individual cooperation, direct contacts. This is why we should never organise or try to avoid it as much as possible. Organization is the base of centralisation, power, manipulation, representation.

This is also why syndicalism is not anarchy, it is alienating and based on the same social alienation scheme as industrialism.

Disorganize !

[kervennic]

From what i hear in a conference online, he says clearly that there is no easy roadmap and way back, and he has personaly no answer to how to stop this suicidal drive. He cannot alone have anything to say and he is plainly conscious of it. He is just a critics.

Then personnaly i do not believe in your syndicalism scheme. Mass production and mass decision making is the essence of the problem. it foster irresponsiblity, discourage, disempower individuals

[kervennic]

However fantasy in Zerzan primitivist dream there could be, you see clearly that no one can neglect his critcism. And he does not seem to ne nut and fundamentalist. He just try to ask some deep questions long overlooked. On can question is honesty in some citations and analysis, like i read on some french sites. Could be true that he is sometimes sloppy. But some of his stuff are really of interest, including his way of defining a roadmap, far from the "naive genocidal" black out.

[kervennic]

From what i found in archeology articles, civilization rather appear to be a sudden consequence of a long trend of environemental exhaustion probably triggered by an episode of climate change. Previous episodes did not require such extreme labour intense survival technique as long as large game was not depleted, people could move on... but there are signs that the game pool had been slowly exhausted. Such things happened in the americas: man came and rapidely killed all large slow species.

[kervennic]

The beginning of the critic is interesting. I also tried to understand wether Zerzan is correct. I do not either believe that symbolism is the only explanation because there are signs that this is in fact what defines human from early on. Off course, with such a tool, added to other like fire, human add more chance to become a farmer than a chimp..

[kervennic]

How can anarchism be syndicalism ?

The union is a bunch of people that, instead of breaking the plant and reclaiming freedom collaborate with the boss and keep working for him. Their opposition is purely rethorical and their collaboration factual.

May be "they have no choice", but at least they can skip their syndicalism delusion.

Syndicalism will not change the roadmap of capitalism. It has failed for 200 years and will continue to do so.

[gracer99]

@EsotericPsychedelic thats right. Our current mass-reliance on techno-industrial civilization can be compared to a person who is addicted to heroin. You don't say about the heroin addict "well, we have to keep feeding him heroin because otherwise he will go into withdrawal and possibly die." no, no, no. you ween them off of the drug in a slow, calculated and careful manner.

[lunesymiercoles]

podrías traducir esto al español!! ;)

[newmoongathering]

Don't you all get it? You all talk in parralells, in some quasi-intellectual fashion. Fuck being smart. Some people are just plain retarded and they wont listen to your ideas. As JZ says, "who wants to run the world?" Go throw some bombs, I wanna see something blow up. And then you all can justify it here on the forums, though youd never do it yourself. Ohhhh but thats not productive. Nature isnt sustainable its transient. So are we, go out now and burn down your house. lol.

[Irtidad]

Contradiction. Earlier you said: "That's great, but we don't have that time on our hands" in response to how I proposed to reduce the world's population by syndicalism.