Jehovah's Witnesses and Philippians 2:5-11 Part 1

The Deity of Christ verses the WatchTower. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-gQxCDkWZA&feature=related

According to John 17 :11 Jesus shares the very same name as the Father: "Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me,"
Phillipians 2: 9-11 The apostle Paul takes a text from Isaiah 45:23 Where Jehovah God is speaking and applies it to Christ--For this very reason God kindly exalted Him and gave him a name which is above every [other] name....10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord (Kurious-Jehovah) to the glory of God the Father. Notice that the word [other] in italics was added in by the watchtower and is not found in the original text. How is it that Jesus's name is above every name? Why would every knee bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord (Jehovah)? How would this glorify theFather when in Is 45:23 the Father says, By my own self I have sworn-- out of my own mouth in righteousness the word has gone forth, so that it will not return--that to me every knee will bend down, every tongue will swear?
In Jeremiah 23:5-6 Jehovah is speaking and He is saying that He is going to raise up to David a righteous sprout who will reign on the earth, ... and in verse 6 it says that His name shall be called , "Jehovah is our righteousness" Also, in Matthew 1:23 it says, "Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Immanuel, which means, when translated, God with us."
Isaiah 42:8 says, "I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory,.." Yet our saviour is coming in the Fathers glory Mk. 8:38; Jn. 17:5; Rev. 5:13 and in John 17:5 and now,O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which Ihad with thee before the world was.
In Jeremiah 44:1-2 it says, that the eastern gate will remain shut, and no mere man shall enter. It shall remain shut until Jehovah himself enters it. So who was it that entered the eastern gate on Palm Sunday?
When was Jehovah sold for 30 pieces of silver? Zech.11: 11-13 Says, Jehovah said to me, Throw it to the treasury--the majestic value which I have been valued from their standpoint. Accordingly I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw it into the treasury at the house of Jehovah.
Who is the first and the last called in Isaiah 44:6? Is it not Jehovah? According to Isaiah 44:6 are there two first and lasts? I believe the scripture says, "I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God"
According to Revelation 1 17-18 When did the first and the last ever become dead?
The first and the last did die, on the cross of calvery for the sins of the whole world. We have been purchased with Gods own blood. (Diaglott Acts 20:28)
For in Romans 10: 9-10 it says, For if you publicly declare that 'word in your own mouth,' that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. (10) For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation. Verse (13) For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved."
Now I will end this particular session with the verse I started it with. According to John 17 :11 Jesus shares the very same name as the Father: "Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me,"

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[steveparadise1]

JeanetteLTorres Thomas Winter, instructor of Greek at University of Nebraska said of the KIT. "Highly useful toward mastery of Koine Greek. It is up-to-date and consistently accurate"

I could go on with many more but I think that's enough to make my point.

Could men with no knowledge of bible languages produce a bible that garnishes such praise from independent, unbiased, non JW, experts? It is obvious that the problem is not with the scholarly work, but rather the theological differences.

[JeannetteLTorres]

@steveparadise1 Then have him explain the contradictions in both of the Watchtower own greek books. Have him explain why they lie when they say it is a word for word translation from the Greek into English.

[steveparadise1]

@JeanetteLTorres There were lots of "THATS". What particular one are you referring to

[JeannetteLTorres]

@steveparadise1 Just start with the first "that" you disagree with.

[steveparadise1]

@JeanetteLTorres These attackers of the WBTS sound very convincing as they go through their spiel on how you can catch out the "dumbed down" JW by using this verse or that. It is an entirely different matter when you are faced with a JW.

Two of the main antagonists James White and Rob Bowman with their "Listen to us sort out the pesky JW attitude" debated one of Jehovah's Witnesses at different times. They got a bit of a surprise when they had to "walk the walk".

[JeannetteLTorres]

@steveparadise1 Hmmm, why don't you tell them that.

[jojoneli76]

@steveparadise1 "I am not happy with the use now being made of the review," and he went on to note a few problems, such as Jesus' words in John 8:58 (which NWT translates as "I have been"). Winter commented, "No way to go here but 'I am'" (Thomas N. Winter, in a letter to M. Kurt Goedelman of Personal Freedom Outreach, dated 3 October 1980).

[jojoneli76]

@steveparadise1 Thomas Winter's review was on the KIT ONLY, not on the NWTS. In fact using the KIT only helps reinforce the lies found in the NWTS. Mr. Winter is not a biblical scholar but he is a scholar on classical Greek. Anyway, his review was done in 1974 and in 1980 he stated and I quote....

[jojoneli76]

@steveparadise1 That's because they copied someone else's bible. Johannes Greber's demon inspired bible.

[steveparadise1]

@JeanetteLTorres You seem to be picking out what you want to see rather than what is said. This is how it is with most anti JWs.

As I have explained as clear as possible, the WBTS only have 1 Greek book, the KIT. They only printed the Diaglott.

Page 9 "Our endeavour throughout has been to give as literal translation as POSSIBLE where the modern English idiom allows....as NEARLY AS POSSIBLE word for word"

Liars? I would say not. Although someone has been lying to you Jeanette and its not the WBTS

[steveparadise1]

@JeanetteLTorres "The NWT was written to reflect their own peculiar doctrines" according to Cetner.Is this the view of Associate Professor of Religious studies at N. Arizona University Jason Beduhn ? After comparing 9 of the most popular bibles, including the NWT, for his book "Bias in Translation" he concluded that the NWT was the most accurate compared, and is a remarkably good translation". Although he was stunned by the reaction from anti JWs he stood by his position.

[steveparadise1]

@JeanetteLTorres Bruce Metzger. speaking of the "supposed scholarship" of the NWT that it was a "sham and perversion of Gods word, particularly with reference to the person of our saviour Jesus Christ". Strange, as he also said "On the whole, one gets a tolerably good impression of the scholarly equipment of the translators".

We can conclude from this then? He appreciates the "scholars" behind the NWT except when they call into question the person of Jesus.So hat is it Bruce a "sham", or "good"?

[steveparadise1]

@JeanetteLTorres On the video we have disgruntled ex JW Joan Cetnar saying " They were not telling the truth when they claim it (NWT) is a fresh translation"

Edgar J Goodspeed who taught Koine Greek at the Uni of Chicago and translator of "An American Translation" commented on the NWT " A frank, free, vigorous translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound, serious learning. As I can testify".

She obviously didn't know the translators of the NWT, as she claims, as well as she thinks.

[steveparadise1]

@JeanetteLTorres Do you accept what I said concerning the Emphatic Diaglott?

You could Google it I suppose.

The vitriolic attacks on the scholarship of the NWT I find particularly unwarranted.

I do not speak Greek or Hebrew so I must rely on what the experts have to say as well as what makes sense to me in the English. I also realized that it is not the NWT against the scholarly world and there is much support in other translations and scholars for the more controversial passages.