Sacrifice - Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights

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Yaron Brook discusses sacrifice vs. trade.

Excerpted from the Q&A of the lecture "Capitalism without Guilt," given at UC Davis on November 25, 2008.

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[Ataensic]

Consensual trade vs. duty-based sacrifice = Capitalism vs. Collectivism (Socialism, Fascism, Communism)

[PersianPaladin]

Economics cannot be divorced from morality. The worst mistake that people ever made was to purely make it utilitarian.

[coastal52]

@logtype47 Heh... You have access to her tax returns and how much she collected in SS?? By the way... you're also wrong about her "changing her name" to collect SS. She collected under her legal name... Ayn O'Conner. She was married to Frank O'Conner at the time... and she didn't die broke.

Rand was full of crap in a lot of ways... but not nearly so much as you. Try reading something besides alternet, kid.

[logtype47]

Ayn Rand. What a complete scoundrel.

[logtype47]

@coastal52 Are you even aware that she collected more in benefits than she paid in actual taxes?

[coastal52]

@logtype47 Nonsense. Rand always advocated reclaiming moneys taken by government.

Rand in '66.

"It is obvious, in such cases, that a man receives his own money which was taken from him by force, directly and specifically, without his consent, against his own choice. But the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own money—and they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money, unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration.

[logtype47]

Ayn Rand was a moron who thought she could survive on her own genius but when cancer threatened to wipe out the little bit of wealth she managed to put away for her old age she changed her name and applied for welfare benefits. The queen of the Libertarians, a stupid bitch preaching to the ignorant. She had a modicum of success on her own but like other so called self made successes, when she failed and she turned to the state to keep her ass off the street.

[plugfonesfan]

I agree with everything but the definition of sacrifice which is-

An act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else regarded as more important or worthy

Giving up the movies (a high value) for the kids (a higher value) is the definition of sacrifice.

What he is railing against isn't sacrifice, it is better defined as self sub subservience . When we are influenced to give up our own higher value for the perceived "common" good, which we don't value, its subservience.

[theotormon]

The example regarding his children rings hollow. He loves his children more than the movies. Good. But if this weren't the case, would it be OK to deny care for his children because it was a "sacrifice"? No.

Society obliges him to take care of his children because it is beneficial for society at large. Fortunately, individuals (including parents who would rather not take care of their children) benefit from living in a society that mandates this.

[Kikarok]

@ignoranttwat

Your name suits you.