Abortion

My thoughts on the contentious issue.

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News & Politics

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• abortion
• life
• choice
• conception
• woman
• women
• rights
• human
• value
• sanctity
• development

[Dieromantic777]

So does this mean we should force women to get pregnant every cycle so their eggs arent wasted? No, that's ridiculous. I am of the opinion that one becomes human when the brain is formed. I am against abortion after this point, but when life is in the cellular form, I don't see a reason to view it as sacred.

[BigSpoon19]

@Dieromantic777 When is the brain "formed" in your opinion? Does life begin once the physical structure that will be a brain is present? When the brain is fully formed? (i.e. well after birth) When the child has some kind of consciousness? Does this mean that people with malformed brains are not human? I don't ask that to be trite--as I said, we are talking about defining what makes us human. Can you justify this distinction? That is, what about the brain being "formed" is dispositive?

[Dieromantic777]

@BigSpoon19 I would say at about week 6 - 7 of pregnancy, when the brain has developed into 5 areas. No, I can't really justify an objective reason behind this. I don't view abortion as something that should be casual birth control, it's a grey area. However, if we are to make it illegal, where does it stop? If abortion becomes illegal after conception, will people fight to make condoms illegal because some can consider a sperm cell to be human life? I am entirely against late term abortion

[BigSpoon19]

@Dieromantic777 I submit that when we agree on when a human life begins, it ceases to become a gray area. That is why you are opposed to late term abortion. If it's a human life everyone agrees. That's why the discussion needs to be about when life begins. I also wonder exactly how you draw the distinction between opposing abortion for "casual birth control" and other reasons. I wonder--why do you care if it's not a baby? If it's not a human, then I have no problem with casual abortions.

[Dieromantic777]

But as for abortion after conception, what about a fertilized egg is dispositive. You say that after that, one begins the process of becoming a human, but isn't a sex cell part of that process? Who's to say where it really begins? It's incredibly hard to find any objectiveness in this issue, and that is why I am pro choice. Over population is an increasing problem, and not every child put up for adoption is able to find a good home. However, I am against abortion as casual birth control.

[BigSpoon19]

All I can do is repeat what I wrote. Conception is not the mere presence of the materials. After conception, something has to intervene to prevent human life. Sexual cells won't become human. To make a crude analogy, a car's-worth of iron ore is not as valuable as a car on the assembly line. It's one of the materials but something else has to happen. And population control is a really silly argument for abortion. If you're concerned about population, advocate for education and social programs.

[BigSpoon19]

@Dieromantic777 It is actually quite different. If I a man and a woman have sex and conceive, a process has begun. There's not some abstract potential. Without direct intervention or something going wrong, a child will be born. You cannot say this about individual sex cells. Individual sex cells will not develop into a child without something more. So, to say life begins at conception is not to "basically say our skin cells our [sic] human" life.

[Dieromantic777]

A fertilized egg is really not much different than individual sex cells. You say the process begins at conception, but really the process begins when a sex cell is created. We kill plenty of cells a day, and to say a fertilized egg is a human is to basically say our skin cells our human, so we shouldn't kill them. You can argue that the fertilized egg has potential, but so does the individual sex cell.

[barcoxx]

@BigSpoon19 Jesus Christ gives life, even those conceived in the worst circumstances. I understand that everyone is not a christian. I dont beleive that a woman has the right to end her pregnancy unless her life depends on it, Jesus allows for that. I am not trying to shame, I am trying to make them see the sin of abortion. If they feel shame, what is wrong with that? do they have something to be ashamed of? A woman has an abortion to stop a baby from being born. The developing baby is killed.

[BigSpoon19]

@barcoxx You're arguing with the wrong person.