Klemperer conducts Leoš Janáček (1/3)

Both the Allegretto and Andante parts from Sinfonietta.

Category:

Music

Tags:

• 20th century classics
• Czech
• Moravia
• Leos Janacek
• Otto Klemperer
• Sinfonietta
• Concergebouw Orchestra
• Amsterdam

[Sinfoniette]

Well, while we are talking about Ancerl, why don't we talk about the Bartok Concerto for Orchestra? :)

The Reiner seems to be the "definitive" but I now have an affinity to Fricsay's and Ancerl's, and Ancerl's makes me think that Reiner's rendition is a bit too chilly.

What do you think about the Concerto for Orchestra? (yes, its quite a digress from the subject)

[CaptainBluebear08]

Oh, never mind. Fricsay is very very fine. As a Toscaninian I prefer him to Toscanini himself. A bit brittle and crispy they say of his Bartók, but hey. (Did you EVER hear his 'Moldau'???) I believe it's the version that Kubrick used in Shining.

[Sinfoniette]

Klemperer championed this work but never recorded it - but its really nice to hear such a recording. I think my favorite is Ancerl's recording. Have you heard it?

[CaptainBluebear08]

I know Ancerl's because of MrRaph87's fine Channel. It's very different which is the reason why I posted this version (wouldn't have, otherwise) but I like it very much. Ancerl came to be another favorite, but I have no recordings of his.

BTW. Like your sense of humour; Sinfoniette commenting on Sinfonietta... ; ]]]]]]]]]

[Sinfoniette]

@Sinfoniette But I'm just trying to say that "the composer said so" is a very invalid argument to come up with.

[Sinfoniette]

@Sinfoniette I respect composers a lot, and I agree that it should be considered one of the highest priorities... some pianists (Firkusny, etc) said that their highest aim was to represent the composer clearly. Here are a few questions though: how can we truly realize what the composer wanted? Even if it was, would it even be possible to execute it? Would it even mean anything?

There is nothing wrong with me having a small issue with Reiner's recording and nothing with you disagreeing with me.

[Sinfoniette]

@spacepatrolman That may be true, but you sound as if it should be considered the best way to perform music. Prokofiev said that he never realized the greatness of his sonatas without Richter, Rachmaninoff thought Horowitz truly knew the 3rd concerto even more than him. If we were to limit our views to what the original creator meant, we would have much less diverse realizations of great works. Why do you think a film's greatness realizes over time?

[CaptainBluebear08]

@Sinfoniette

I much agree with that, too.

[spacepatrolman]

@Sinfoniette conductors usually want to perform the music way the composer envisioned it if they are lucky enough to have a consultation with the composer

[Sinfoniette]

@spacepatrolman I'm not antagonizing Reiner...a piece of music is not limited to the composer's view of it, anyway.

[Sinfoniette]

@Wcross34 @Wcross34 Well as a year late reply, there are surely exceptions but I don't want to go comparing Mackerras and Talich, Ancerl, Sejna, yadi yada... I always had that grassy, pastoral sensation when I heard Czech conducting Czech. I never had it from a non-Czech conductor. I don't mean that Czech music must have that sensation, but to me it seems fit.

[spacepatrolman]

@Sinfoniette thats just the way it was recorded reiner knew bartok personally ELP did sinfonietta

[CaptainBluebear08]

@herbaciani

Optymistyczne prognozy.

[Wcross34]

Sinfoniette - you don't see a non-Czech conductor of Czech music? What about Charles Mackerras?