How to confuse a creationist -- Homosexuality, Evolution and the Bible

SOURCES:

1:18 -- "Common Sense on Homosexuality" -- Fool4alifetime

1:49 "Born Homosexual" -- by Emptywithoutjesus (on the 2012 Golden Crocoduck nominee playlist)

2:03 -- "Ricky Gervais on Animals"

8:49 -- Evolution: Darwin HATES Homosexuals -- AVTPro

11:43 -- "Genetic and Environmental Effects on Same-sex Sexual Behaviour: A Population Study of Twins in Sweden." Langstrom et al., Archive of Sexual Behaviour, 2010

12:30 -- "Genetic and Environmental Influence on Sexual Orientation as it Correlates in an Australian Twin Sample," Bailey et al., Journal of Personality and Social Psychology March 2000

12:50 -- "Familiality of female and male homosexuality" -- J. Michael Bailey and Alan P. Bell 1993, Handbook of Behavior Genetics

13:14 -- "Homosexuality and evolution" by Goldengun85

14:32 -- "Genetic factors predisposing to homosexuality may increase mating success in heterosexuals" -- Brendan P. Zietsch et al., Evolution & Human Behavior, November 2008

15:08 -- Ibid.

[Music: "Glad to be gay" Tom Robinson Band]

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[MrGreenapple54]

The stupidity in your first comment isn't worth addressing... But as for this one, you asked why someone who isn't gay would support gay rights? Maybe because they are an empathetic human being and they feel that other members of their species deserve to be treated equally? What kind of sick person are you that you would just turn your back on other people because you don't like something about them?

[Andreas karlsson]

Just that those "alpha-males in prison" arent converted to homosexuality.. Once(if) they get out of prison almost all return to heterosexuality and thats that.. And those that dont, give me one proof or at least solid argument explaining that they werent already homosexual when they went to prison but hid it from society because of the likes of you flaming homosexuals at every occasion or that they simply were bisexual?

[Aaron Neary]

You seem to have a pretty unhealthy obsession with fetishes and sexual orientations...

[TazPessle]

I see where you get your argument from, but the distinction is this: gays have genuine reciprocal relationships. As Christians we believe that we are different to animals in more than just a specie sense and so beastiality is never comparable. Neither is necrophilia. And fetishes do not represent anything inborn, which is what the homosexual community will always assert.

Personally I've not looked into what all these groups think and feel though, and i don't plan to either to be honest.

[2hottie69Forever]

3.

now, as far as necrophilia, sex with the DEAD.

There is something called a necrocard, you are consenting to get laid after you die.

where does it end?

whats next? eating SHIT?

oh wait, too late for that.

whats next? blood fetishes, ooops too late for that, google alternative fetishes. where does all these abominations end??

[2hottie69Forever]

2.

the bestiality community is seeking the same rights as gays, it worked for gays, why not work for them?

both groups claim sex is not for family nor procreation, both groups claim its consensual and all parties enjoy it, both groups claim we are animals and should do what animals do. both groups claim its been around along time. both groups claim heteros should stop hating on them and stop being bigots.

do you still not see where this is going?

continue to 3

[2hottie69Forever]

Now I know you want to take this conversation into a religious debate, but most people are not biblical scholars, most people do not read ancient hebrew or ancient greek to get the proper context.

So lets stick with science, rationality and logical talk.

you want to make gay socially acceptable, but why? because animals do it. animals have cross-species sex (bestiality) the zoophilia movement is seeking the same rights you gays are seeking now.

continued 2

[TazPessle]

Alternatively if you want to take egalitarianism or utilitarianism, well i think my anecdotes tell us enough about the good that comes from prohibition of sexuality. Egalitarianism will not work in your favour either. And rights? well you'd really be shooting yourself in the foot.

[TazPessle]

but the whole point is these individuals are a victim of anti-gay agenda! they are messed up when they subject themselves to change. And resume healing and healthy psychology once you let them live. If you look at Ethical models (used biblically) you are left with deontology and 'yuck factor' to explain homosexuality. And if you take deontology then biblically you have to also prohibit seafood (in this very video) along with other things. So you're left with Yuck factor... not really a model.

[2hottie69Forever]

the answer is very simple, and you already said it "victims"

I see every gay person as a victim, especially the genuinely sincere gays, that TRULY believe they lead a normal lifestyle.

I think you are truly a victim of the gay agenda.

google gay agenda

[TazPessle]

growing up as a christian in a completely non-gay environment free of abuse, your stereotype theory fails to explain the presence of gay Christians. I know of christians who have sought change for years only to end up damaging themselves psychologically. What do you say to these victims?

[2hottie69Forever]

whats your point?

not everyone does

theres vaginal sex.

what do gays have? anal and rimming. u got no other options.

even dogs have more sexual morality