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Uploaded by on Apr 25, 2008

WATCH THIS NOW:
http://www.archive.org/details/PhilosopherSeed-DerrickJensen EndgamePartOne803

PART 2:
http://www.archive.org/details/PhilosopherSeed-DerrickJensen EndgamePartTwo255

http://www.endgame.org
(a very important website)

Derrick Jensen's premises from his book Endgame:
http://www.endgamethebook.org/Excerpts/1-Premises.htm

clip from Monty Python and the Holy Grail:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o76WQzVJ434

The Jeff Luers Story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZvNapmZVQA

Anti-Depressants Exposed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sstoa406Oa0

The Message in the Waves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m84-X-3YXZo&feature=PlayList& p=78EAB245E428B783&index=54

Guy Debord:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_lS5ACEQho

Manufacturing Consent (the chimp with sign language:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJHGOE8MIs

"Chimps Beat College Students at Memory Test"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QJLwzJ8dvM

Best of Idiocracy (by Mike Judge) 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxRqRZ81Rmg

Review of John Zerzan's "Against Civilization"
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-151394357.html

http://www.ishmael.com (a bit commercial but there is good stuff anyway)

http://www.youtube.com/stimulator
http://www.youtube.com/redpharmacist
http://www.youtube.com/DEATHINKING
http://www.youtube.com/pennilesscripple
http://www.youtube.com/vaahti

many others

oh yeah here is a paper i wrote about civilization:
http://blather.newdream.net/c/civilization.html
(it starts a little ways down. it is called "the wise will arise"

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  • how do you define civilization?

  • look in the related videos! I have one called "definition of civilization."

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  • i agree civilization is gonna crash and wen it does its gonna try and take us withit

  • i agree with you. Thats undebatable.

  • the statement I'm alive, you're alive is debatable. Being alive is a state of being however, you can be physically alive yet mentally dead. So you could be seen as dead depending on how you look at it.

  • Why is it undebatable?

  • The mass extinction events in history (of which we know only b/c of civilization) took place long before civilization and were MUCH more lethal in its destructive power. AND they can only be avoided by civilization in the future.

    That is, if one makes these assumptions:

    That what you call civilization and I call the destructive culture of the West doesn't destroy the biosphere until this future event happens.

    That it manages to develope the necessary technology.

    Ergo: NOT undebatable.

  • @zzz33333

    hey bro i respect you alot!

    but maybe if we did take back the land and put wind mills everywhere and have the new batteries that are supposed to store electricity without going bad (without nasty chemicals) would work for a sustainable culture but the probelem is people are to lazy or complacent about doing this on a grand scale and obviously greedy corperation don't want that because of supply and demand.so i was wondering if the was a resistance that support this... would you Z?

  • I totally agree with you. But it's hard not to feel trapped in civilization. Where are we supposed to start fixing the problem? We're all so deep in it now it's overwhelming. Do you know what I mean?

  • I suppose if civilization, is an attempt to civilize an entire nation, which is to say Make all people similar (standard of normalcy) then it will not be in sync with our natural ways of life. We must all be given 100% freedom of expression, however none of this works until the human species rids itself from the parasite which has been holding us down for thousands of years (the individual ego).

    Ego must go.

    Perception of connectedness must birth.

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