Theologian N. T. Wright takes an honest look at the world, examining the reality of evil, our inability to defeat it through progress, democracy and other human schemes, and the solution God offers...
Theologian N. T. Wright takes an honest look at the world, examining the reality of evil, our inability to defeat it through progress, democracy and other human schemes, and the solution God offers in Jesus. This is a preview of both a book, Evil and the Justice of God, and a DVD, Evil, both available from InterVarsity Press.
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The god character doesn't even read like the same god as the one in the N.T.
You're trying to tell me that the one that destroys entire cities because they are "wicked" (which presumably means the infants and children too), and even committs genocide of the ENTIRE PLANET, and asks that all non-believers be put to death, and dictates that non-vigin wives be bludgeon to death on their wedding nights, and [running out of room] is equal to the one in the N.T.?
I'm not sure what you mean to say by, "struck upon" here. But what part of your statement do you imagine prompts a "Um, no, not really" from anything I pointed out?
Then you must have also seen the "Am I wrong?" question that I asked you. You seemed to have skipped it.
Yes, statistically (though no one claimed "only"), one is most likely to believe whatever god is presented to them while they are pre-abstract-thought capable (generally, pre-pubescent).
Since accepting the most bizarre things as "fact" (talking snakes and donkeys, humans living in a fish, tower of Babel, etc), they in turn will grow up to do the same to other trusting children.
Atheism, existentialism, and nihilism also have roots in ancient times. Most ideas were expressed at one time or other in primitive times. Also, we are arrogant in thinking that we have special knowledge now that is radically different today than back in "primitive" times when some of the most brilliant thinkers were from such ages of antiquity.
What they lacked in technology and in some scientific breakthroughs they did not lack in terms of philosophy, reason, and thought.
You say it is "arrogant" to think we are better prepared to explore questions of the universe than people who thought disease was caused by evil spirits? Seriously? Or who imagined that the stars could fall from the sky and stepped on, or that the Sun went around the Earth and could be stopped by yelling at it (both found in your bible)?
The most "brilliant thinkers" from the time your religion was formed couldn't compare to the average 4th grader today.
You write: "What they lacked in technology and in some scientific breakthroughs they did not lack in terms of philosophy, reason, and thought."
Another interesting claim. Would you care to offer any examples?
Particularly in the areas of your claim of "reason and thought." But also if you think you know of a philosophy from those who formed your religion that was not already recorded in a previous society (anything "new" contributed).
While it might make me feel good to think that now that Jesus saves, that there is no need for justice and we can focus on love alone, it simply is not the case... the same justice expressed in the OT is present in the NT, it is not as central.
Also, the OT details many wrong actions without directly condemning them, polygamy for example, while indirectly demonstrating how it resulted in disaster. Also it shows how monogamy is preferable in books like Genesis or Song of Solomon.
I think you'd get a real eye-opener if you could read that holy book with some objectivity.
What "justice" do you want to talk about from your O.T.? Perhaps killing the infants of Egypt to piss off the Pharoah? Or the legend that says we are ALL condemned for the actions of the two mythical "first" humans?
And not only was Lot NOT condemned for offering up his daughters to be gang-raped by a mob, but actually sparred and rewared to be raped by these daughters later when made drunk.
to continue... How about simply discussing the "justice" that the simple act of not believing in the god of this mythology, can land a person...no matter how kind, or intelligent, or loving, or giving... in an ETERNITY of torture?
Ever really THINK about this one? Not just BILLIONS of years...but ETERNITY for anything that one could possibly do in just 80 or 90 years on earth (let alone just not believing)? Justice?
This would be worse than any dictator beheading someone for J-walking.
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The god character doesn't even read like the same god as the one in the N.T.
You're trying to tell me that the one that destroys entire cities because they are "wicked" (which presumably means the infants and children too), and even committs genocide of the ENTIRE PLANET, and asks that all non-believers be put to death, and dictates that non-vigin wives be bludgeon to death on their wedding nights, and [running out of room] is equal to the one in the N.T.?
Yes, statistically (though no one claimed "only"), one is most likely to believe whatever god is presented to them while they are pre-abstract-thought capable (generally, pre-pubescent).
Since accepting the most bizarre things as "fact" (talking snakes and donkeys, humans living in a fish, tower of Babel, etc), they in turn will grow up to do the same to other trusting children.
What they lacked in technology and in some scientific breakthroughs they did not lack in terms of philosophy, reason, and thought.
You say it is "arrogant" to think we are better prepared to explore questions of the universe than people who thought disease was caused by evil spirits? Seriously? Or who imagined that the stars could fall from the sky and stepped on, or that the Sun went around the Earth and could be stopped by yelling at it (both found in your bible)?
The most "brilliant thinkers" from the time your religion was formed couldn't compare to the average 4th grader today.
to continue..
Another interesting claim. Would you care to offer any examples?
Particularly in the areas of your claim of "reason and thought." But also if you think you know of a philosophy from those who formed your religion that was not already recorded in a previous society (anything "new" contributed).
Also, the OT details many wrong actions without directly condemning them, polygamy for example, while indirectly demonstrating how it resulted in disaster. Also it shows how monogamy is preferable in books like Genesis or Song of Solomon.
What "justice" do you want to talk about from your O.T.? Perhaps killing the infants of Egypt to piss off the Pharoah? Or the legend that says we are ALL condemned for the actions of the two mythical "first" humans?
And not only was Lot NOT condemned for offering up his daughters to be gang-raped by a mob, but actually sparred and rewared to be raped by these daughters later when made drunk.
How about simply discussing the "justice" that the simple act of not believing in the god of this mythology, can land a person...no matter how kind, or intelligent, or loving, or giving... in an ETERNITY of torture?
Ever really THINK about this one? Not just BILLIONS of years...but ETERNITY for anything that one could possibly do in just 80 or 90 years on earth (let alone just not believing)? Justice?
This would be worse than any dictator beheading someone for J-walking.