Furtwangler on 4.19.1942 Full edition

Furtwangler on 4.19.1942 Full edition,time last 4:40

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Music

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• Furtwangler
• Beethoven
• 1942
• Nazi

[UlfenDaddy]

@GGbreizh That is the weakness of process both at Nuremberg and today in court: Guilty or Not-Guilty. Genuine INNOCENCE is beyond the competence of a Court's finding, and the facts of Fuertwaengler and many other artists showed not that they were "not guilty" of participation in NAZI atrocities but actively worked Against those terrors. F and others would've been found guilty of TREASON by the Nazis had their real action been known.

[uosuaq]

Okay, look, "Grimgerde" is a troll. Don't feed the troll, people.

I was interested by the comment that this 9th was like "Furtwaengler's desperate scream". It's hard to avoid projecting one's own feelings onto this performance, knowing the context, but to me, the tempi Furtwaengler introduces towards the very end seem first unnecessary, then exorbitant, then positively insulting, like he's balling up the score...no, the symphony itself...and throwing it in Hitler's face.

[TheStockwell]

@Grimgerde The best research gives the number at at least 80, possibly over a hundred if you include the people who Furtwangler arranged exit visas for or assisted financially throughout the war.

[GGbreizh]

@Grimgerde Speech freedom doesn't allow you to speak of me like this. In my country you could be put in front of the court. the one who should be ashamed is you, you don't even know his biography. If you did, you would know that he saved Jews, and that he despised Hitler and the nazis. He has been found unguilty after his process.

[Grimgerde]

@GGbreizh

Only insensitive anti-Semites would disingenuously claim a NAZI collaborator like "Furtwaengler" was a savior of the Jews. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[GGbreizh]

@Grimgerde My words are hateful? What about YOUR words? Can't you hear that what Furtwängler is playing is not Beethoven's ninth. I have listened to the whole symphony played around the same date, what I could hear was Furtwangler desperate scream. The one who yell at anyone who's defending a Jews savior saying they are nazy is the one who's wrong, because he is insulting them more than any other words could do.

[Grimgerde]

@GGbreizh

Disgusting. Let's see you repeat those hateful words while looking Eli Wiesel in the eyes. How many Jews did "Furtwaengler" save by entertaining Goebbels with Beethoven's 9th?

[GGbreizh]

@Grimgerde You're quite antisemitic yourself if you criticize a man who risked his life to save Jews. Learn before saying non senses.

[rayadhd]

So what if some nazis did have a taste for great music? YES nazis are bad and should be burned. Please cut the crap and enjoy fantastic music.To all music lovers in the world, please copypaste this message to tell the world those nazi fools don't have the right to TRY to abuse this fantastic music once more ! I am getting tired of defending and explaining this shit all the time.

[lisafiddler01]

@Zarathustra799 Aw, hon, take a history class...really. You need to read some books. It'll help ya :)