@Pari28 I hear you...I love the Count, but Cy's life would made a much better movie...it's got everything...I've already written a script...Phil has read it...I'd love to have him be a technical director...there is somebody else working a a script.,..now we need a director and angels:-)
@eckythimble Cy was bigger than WarAd, who was much smaller than his dad, and The Count who they said looked like a filly. Why Cy lost by 3 lengths when given a pound by Noor in their final race is a puzzle even race experts can't solve. He was being raced alot at 5 by Wright in attempt to win a million$. Did his old injury flare up? He went back East after that race...Noor was unknown and seriously underweighted....Cy could have retired at 5 had this been corrected in time...sigh
@1948BigCy For what it's worth Citation looked to me considerably more muscled than Count Fleet, as did War Admiral. I wonder who would have (mainly) won if those three went head to head. I understand when Noor set the old mile WR he carried similar weight to Citation - perhaps the previous losses when he'd been carrying much more had dented Citation's confidence when they finally raced on equal terms? Or was Noor a horse who proved under a good trainer he was also an all-time great?
@eckythimble Cy lost to Noor by the smallest of margins while Noor was setting world records and Cy was carring sometimes 22 lbs. more. at 5 on those fast CA tracks. Of course, you know that splits within a longer race don't count. Time is such an elusive, dubious criterion...
Count was 2:03.6 20 lengths in the lead in the Belmont, before winning by 25 lengths. Strangely, his time was the same as Cy's, who only won by 8 lengths. No doubt, The Count could have run faster...
Does anyone know Count Fleet time at the Belmont 10 furlong (1 1/4 mile) mark?
Although time is not everything... am making a list of the fastest 1 1/4 miles in history. To (briefly) add to the Cy debate, Cy ran just 3 lengths off Noor's world record giving Cy a time of 1:58 4/5 which puts him a very respectable 9th on my list of 61 horses so far, ahead of Fager, Slew, Forego, etc. What surprised me was Affirmed up at #5 with a 1:58 2/5. Anyway I need the CF split to get him up off place 61!
@evyn10014 Fillies? Hard to say...so many great ones...Twilight Tear, Calumet, was great; the ones you mention of course; Kostroma; the two warhorses, Kincsem and Sotemia; Busher; Gallorette; Affectionately; Genuine Risk; Personal Ensign...I love to watch them run...Gorella, what a closing kick!
Actually, there seems to be a "Fillie's Lib" movement: the girls are finally getting some respect...Go for Want...Two Lea...Wistful...I love 'em all!!!
@Pari28 I hear you...I love the Count, but Cy's life would made a much better movie...it's got everything...I've already written a script...Phil has read it...I'd love to have him be a technical director...there is somebody else working a a script.,..now we need a director and angels:-)
1948BigCy 6 days ago
i would of loved to see count fleet race. wish they would do a movie bout him since it seems like most ppl are forgetting bout him
Kornaus2010 2 weeks ago
@evyn10014 Don't forget about Personal Ensign in that list, my friend.
ramairluvr 1 month ago
For me my all time favorite Triple Crown Winner, it'd definitely have to be Citation <3
Btw, everyone read the book, "Citation," by Phil Georgeff- sooo good. A must read.
Pari28 2 months ago
@eckythimble Cy was bigger than WarAd, who was much smaller than his dad, and The Count who they said looked like a filly. Why Cy lost by 3 lengths when given a pound by Noor in their final race is a puzzle even race experts can't solve. He was being raced alot at 5 by Wright in attempt to win a million$. Did his old injury flare up? He went back East after that race...Noor was unknown and seriously underweighted....Cy could have retired at 5 had this been corrected in time...sigh
1948BigCy 4 months ago
@1948BigCy For what it's worth Citation looked to me considerably more muscled than Count Fleet, as did War Admiral. I wonder who would have (mainly) won if those three went head to head. I understand when Noor set the old mile WR he carried similar weight to Citation - perhaps the previous losses when he'd been carrying much more had dented Citation's confidence when they finally raced on equal terms? Or was Noor a horse who proved under a good trainer he was also an all-time great?
eckythimble 4 months ago
@eckythimble Cy lost to Noor by the smallest of margins while Noor was setting world records and Cy was carring sometimes 22 lbs. more. at 5 on those fast CA tracks. Of course, you know that splits within a longer race don't count. Time is such an elusive, dubious criterion...
Count was 2:03.6 20 lengths in the lead in the Belmont, before winning by 25 lengths. Strangely, his time was the same as Cy's, who only won by 8 lengths. No doubt, The Count could have run faster...
1948BigCy 4 months ago
Does anyone know Count Fleet time at the Belmont 10 furlong (1 1/4 mile) mark?
Although time is not everything... am making a list of the fastest 1 1/4 miles in history. To (briefly) add to the Cy debate, Cy ran just 3 lengths off Noor's world record giving Cy a time of 1:58 4/5 which puts him a very respectable 9th on my list of 61 horses so far, ahead of Fager, Slew, Forego, etc. What surprised me was Affirmed up at #5 with a 1:58 2/5. Anyway I need the CF split to get him up off place 61!
eckythimble 4 months ago
@evyn10014 Fillies? Hard to say...so many great ones...Twilight Tear, Calumet, was great; the ones you mention of course; Kostroma; the two warhorses, Kincsem and Sotemia; Busher; Gallorette; Affectionately; Genuine Risk; Personal Ensign...I love to watch them run...Gorella, what a closing kick!
Actually, there seems to be a "Fillie's Lib" movement: the girls are finally getting some respect...Go for Want...Two Lea...Wistful...I love 'em all!!!
1948BigCy 6 months ago
@1948BigCy What do you think of Goldikova and Zarkava, and Zenyatta and RA? And Ruffian... Who's the best filly ever?
evyn10014 6 months ago