defining subjectivity and objectivity (1 of 2)

I like wukdar, but I respond in an appropriate tone to his admonition. I really hate when people refer to dictionary definitions as philosophical authorities... make by aproximators... do you think that a scientist goes to a dictionary for a definition of relativity? of mass even? Hell no, the dictionary author is asking them and getting it only part wrong, hopefully.

The point, you wukdar are MISSING the point, that is usually the case when one has the WTF? experience so profoundly.

Subjectivism does not always mean dreams count as reality, that's bullshit, it's really the fact that our picture of reality turns out to be just a picture, mixed with illusion.

WUKDAR! It is about IMPROVING the estimates of which is "real" and which is illusion. Your illogical deep confidence about the "obviousness" just means you'll miss catching some illusion. You can know reality without thinking absolutely.

That's why science uses THEORY, not "ABSOLUTE INVOLATE RULES". We call them laws sometimes, fine, but we THINK about them as theories.

a reply to this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=07mwfyo-aZM

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[AEVautomatic]

wow...

[pyrrho314]

@AEVautomatic :

1st v 3rd person view of self: watch?v=Ax1R5-_1-pA

Reality Diagram: watch?v=10y8uoaO4xU

Which Model: watch?v=80ZPmMts60U

[emblemOFbeing]

1:06 tell that to those with certain styles of Cotard's syndrom or schizophrenia characterized by

2:00 Husserl in "Experience in Judgment" calls this 'relational contemplation' p. 149-154

You don't even need to read anything beyond the first 10 pages nof Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Idea to get a clear grasp on that fact that subject and object make no sense without each other and your EVIDENCE should indicate to you that you've never 'built' any world nor been out of the world.

[pyrrho314]

at 1:06 I stand by the statement. That we have trouble telling the difference doesn't mean we don't know there are subjecte and objective things... it just means we have trouble with which is which.

[in2dionysus]

To what point do we believe, consciousness is relative to a point to which only questions can not be understood; realistically we have chosen a interpretation to which understanding is not a realistic term. What is chosen is something that can not be distinguished through relative terms, Reason and truth is not the conquest of instinct. The mind of chaos has been interpreted to show forth a strength that reasoning can not be determined! free spirit can be metaphored towards a reality; un-secure!

[ftlqed]

A species is a large set to choose from, from among any subject. An object is all an animal can see. Making it possible to get into binds to hard to escape. I'd put everything in a large masm64 header and call it the problem with, you know, AH's.

[Methyl10]

within our species,we can agree whether something exists or not.We can also measure physical.The fact is,the more people something to be true,the more true it is,even if it's wrong.Quantum physics can show us a subject to act on reality.Since Emanuel Kant,we know that we humans can only recognize our particular reality, like a fly or a fish its reality!Objectivity is what many believe to be because it is consistent with our logic,subjectivity is what one believes.Absolute objectivity is not

[kashchiza]

great

[bigway40]

Family guy will never be the same again

[SelfMinusI]

I'd say the objective is defined by the subjective.. yet the subjective is molded through preconceptions, and an individuals personal degree of logical understanding, intuitive comprehension, as well as life views in general (and particular). I'd say your right in that darkness is the absense of light. Light is a 'reality'. You can't shine darkness into a room. I like the clarity of your presentations.