Mark Driscoll on Election
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@vicesquad08 Make sure you look up what Paul is quoting from the OT and get context. You are not born a sinner, one must sin to become a sinner no different than one must murder to become a murderer. Jesus said the prodigal son was alive and then died, came to himself and became alive again. Calvinsim destroyed right there. Paul said in Rom 7 he as alive before he came to the law, you say born "dead"... So pauls right. You are imposing an unbiblical definition of "elect" on scripture also.
droptozro 1 week ago
@Disciple1818 You can believe anything you want but I'll stick to what the bible says. And the bible clearly says that he predestined, he chose, he has an elect and there is nothing we can do to change that. And if you want God to be fair then we should all go to hell.
vicesquad08 1 week ago
@droptozro what???
vicesquad08 1 week ago
@tdrpowerl We are born sinners, and there is no way we can choose God without him first giving us the faith to believe. So I'm not sure about this preacher, because he believes in single predestination which means God chose the elect to be saved, but did not choose the un-saved to be condemn, Ultimately, God chose those to be saved and those to be condemn, we have no choice in that decision already ordained by God.
vicesquad08 1 week ago
@Tony55phx couldn't agree more
layorugua2000 2 weeks ago
i have a question: if i was born a sinner, wouldn't that suggest that i had no choice in the matter? so if i have no choice, how did i "choose" hell?
tdrpowerl 2 weeks ago
@travistheboo In Calvinism that's not possible... Go look up the false unbiblical definition that they give of "dead". For you to reach out in Calvinist doctrine is works, and you'd have reason to boast in salvation. Good thing Calvinists have no idea what they're talking about, Tony is right.
droptozro 2 weeks ago
My only argument to Tony55 would be that the alternative is God only saving the daughter that reached out her hand to be saved. For Him to send us all to Hell would be just, because that is what we deserve. So, for Him to save any is grace.
travistheboo 1 month ago
@longhornchad2000 - True
jgallete 1 month ago