Ravi on How do you know there is a God?

Ravi Zacharias, respected theologian, begins to answer this tough question. He's written a book called Can Man Live Without God.

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[stevenweir76]

@bayreuth79 - Seeing as I disagree with actions that every religion on the planet calls justified and moral and consider said actions to be immoral I am certain that the basis of my morality does not rely on religion in any way. What makes your morality "authentic" and not mine. Sounds like a sales pitch to me.

[stevenweir76]

@bayreuth79 - Scientists don't "believe" in dark matter. The current model infers that it's there but no scientist worth a grain of salt would call that a certainty or say what it is. The difference between us is that I am comfortable to say I don't know. It's your certitude that makes you wrong, along with your assumptions. I can say with 100% certainty that I don't know. The only faith I have is my epistemology, I think therefor I am and I should trust my senses.

[benaberry]

@bayreuth79

Can ask that question another way, what is the best method for understanding what worldview is best for humanity?

[benaberry]

@bayreuth79

What empirical evidence points to a god, and please be specific, which tradition are you speaking of?

[benaberry]

@bayreuth79

Beliefs are supported by evidence, some beliefs require more evidence than others based on the magnitude of the claim. No belief is 100%, we cannot know 100% of something because that something interacts with other things in a multitude of situations and due to our tech or physical attributes we are limited and fallible, but the assumption can be supported by then evidence to a level of higher certainty. God cannot be approached this way, thus faith is required.

[bayreuth79]

@stevenweir76 This comment is irrelevant. The point at issue is what grounds morality? Atheists, agnostics, and theists can all be moral people; but which worldview provides the soundest basis for authentic moral values?

[bayreuth79]

@stevenweir76 You seem to think that science doesn't "believe" in things that can't be perceived. What about "dark matter"? This cannot be perceived, but it is infered from other data. What about the so-called "multiverse"? If it exists, we can never perceive it; how could we? Again, it is infered from from other data. God is likewise infered from empirical observation. I know you have not looked at the arguments for this because I've conversed with you before. YOU have blind faith.

[stevenweir76]

@bubbyj - I would reply to your comments but I would say you have enough to think about. As for evidence, my daughter is now 6 years old has no idea that anyone believes in a magic man in the sky, she is in no way connected to such an idea, and yet she displays compassion, kindness, and happiness. She doesn't need a God idea to focus her morality, nor do you.

[stevenweir76]

@bayreuth79 - Belief in God is in no way similar, there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of God, there is piles of evidence and theory which explains why scientists believe what they do. Religion requires in believing things which apparently can't be perceived, science does not allow this, science and religion are indeed at odds, and if any scientist says otherwise, they're an idiot or living in a political climate where they have to kiss ass.

[bayreuth79]

@benaberry I agree that one cannot know that God exists in the sense of absolute intellectual certainty, but how many of the beliefs that you entertain are absolutely certain? For instance, many scientists infer the possibility of a multiverse in order to account for the apparent fine-tuning of the universe (its immensely high degree of improbability); but these scientists do not know that there is a multiverse (in fact, its a meta-physical hypothesis). Belief in God is similar.