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Uploaded by on Feb 28, 2010

This continues the PM conversation with a Christian who is "on the fence." He may yet fall back to the side he started from, but I hope, with reason, to coax him to this side - the free side.

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  • Dear God. These arguments, they're so biased. If you're going to claim that knowledge casts out fear, you'd have to account for the burdens that come with knowledge. Take Solipsism for example. If you'd been "enlightened" to the fact that you were the only one in existence, and everything around you was nothing but an illusion created by yourself, would you not be fearful or remorseful of utter aloneness?

  • @HMachProductions You assume that the self is all that exists. My reality is larger than that. Speak for you own little alone "self." You wish to bury your self in what to me is unreality. You are entitled to do so, but you are no more "right" in your reality than I am in mine.

  • One more thing. If you believe people will see what they expect to see when a person undergoes an NDE, what will an atheist see? Things have to be more objective when it comes to the topic of the afterlife. You can't just throw in neurological subjectivism. Otherwise, from your hypothesis, I could be mentally dead, but fighting dragons at the same time.

  • @HMachProductions Hmmmm. You could be. Most likely an atheist will see whatever images are most indelibly impressed on his subconscious. So some atheists may very well see heaven or hell. That fiction is hard to shake from the unconscious mind, since it was seeded there beginning in infancy. Fortunately, in our waking minds, atheists have shunted the superstition aside. Ever try to get ALL the dog shit off your shoe? Usually you just buy new shoes.

  • HUGE FLAW. The Jews, after WW2, were scarce in number, and the UN made Israel their homeland once more. The Jews had little to no say in the fact that nation would become sovereign again, and thus, it is not self-fulfilling. Take it as coincidental if you will, but it's INDEFINITELY not self fulfilling.

  • @HMachProductions The state of Israel was declared by David Ben Gurion in 1948, and instantly the Arab states declared war. I don't care how small the movement was, it was known of by Jews worldwide. The movement was started in the late 19th century. Israel became a state because Jews thought it was supposed to. I'm not arguing that they were right, but that they believed their homeland was prophesied. Peddle your anti-Zionist crap someplace else. That isn't what this is about.

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  • OK, I have to ask, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful: if Catholics truly believe in Transubstantiation, then this would be the perfect opportunity to prove a supernatural claim. I mean if it's true, then after you have the eucharist - does your body poop out Jesus' flesh and blood into the toilet? It would have to be in there. Would you get more nourishment from the eucharist than plain old wine and crackers if you were starving in the woods? The mind has to wonder....:(

  • he has a valid point. His statement has nothing to do with a comparison between yourself and him, its an impersonal statement. The fact that knoweldge is developed(yes I understand that my knowledge if spelling needs to developed) with time/muturity blah blah blah. And at certain stages of that, accumulation of knowledge, it is very likely you will run into times of "fear" "hurt" or some other form of undesirable condition due to that knowledge.

  • i'll tell u honestly. i love this life because i can find people like u.

    this world is not totally deluded. there is a hope. unite!

    continue, man!

    sadly, we live in a such stupid deluded world that makes us show to people how stupid they r. but soon a big change will come. now religious stupidity is obvious to many people. unite! spread zeitgeist!

  • I had it the same way. I knew the problems with Christianity, but I was too scared of hell, then I just jumped in it and decided to be honest to myself. I waited longer before I admitted being atheist when asked.

  • It took me a while to get away from the fear of god, it was the only thing that heald me. Then I broke free with time.

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