Darwin says Viva la Evolucion!

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[VitalApparatuz]

Very well said . Thank you :)

[witalian1]

@witalian1

The problem is in the "labor theory of value". Marx thinks that the amount of labor put in the production of somthing is what gives it its value. That's just not true. You can waste infinite amnount of effort on useless activities without producing anything valuable. What makes thing valuable is the demand for it. If people need something, and you produce it, it is they who give the thing its value, not your labor. That's why you need market prices.

[witalian1]

@witalian1

That's especially bad since in comunism the economy is centraly planned.

[witalian1]

@GlobalAlternateMedia

What the USSR did was the only possible way to implement comunism in reality.

People are different. If they are free, some will choose to cooperate, some will choose to compete. The only way to make everybody cooperate is by force.

However comunism can not work even if everibody cooperates, because in a monyless society, you can't have market prices, and you can not hope to make rational economic decisions.

[GlobalAlternateMedia]

@witalian1

No, you're mistaken. If you look up how Marx defined communism it was quite the opposite of what the USSR was. HE defined it as a stateless, moneyless, classless society based on the free association of producers (google the latter), this is known as pure communism (google also).

I believe that if everyone acted in their self-interest we would reach libertarian communism (i.e. pure communism without Marxist transitional phase).

[witalian1]

@GlobalAlternateMedia

"I'm an egoist communist."

That means you are not communist. You are a libertarian, that has made a personal choice to help others, but you have the freedom to choose not to do that. In communism, you don't have that choice. You do what others had chosen for you, or you go to the gulag.

There is mutual aid in nature. There is even altruism in nature, but obligatory altruism(collectivism) is not good for humans.

[GlobalAlternateMedia]

@witalian1

Not necessarily. I'm an egoist communist. One of the central tenets of libertarian communism/socialism is mutual aid (see Kropotkin's biological Mutual Aid: A factor of Evolution).

[witalian1]

@BinkyHuckleback

Yes that's true, but that does mot change anything. The genes are selfish. The individuals are altruistic.

[BinkyHuckleback]

@witalian1 But isn't that due to the high level of genetic similarity between the queen and her servitors? The suicidal bee commits hari kari to preserve it's own genes - they don't sacrifice themselves defending strange hives (which would be 'true' altruism).

[witalian1]

@notonewhit

If you have said empathy, I would probably agree, but altruism - not so much. Being social and being selfless are not the same thing.